Chamomile Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 I don't know if this has been posted recently, but for those wondering why a woman can't be a priest, listen to this lecture by Peter Kreeft: [url="http://www.peterkreeft.com/audio/09_priestesses.htm"]Women & the Priesthood[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1307919651' post='2252906'] Afaik most of them trace their 'ordinations' somehow back to the Danube Seven. Basically, a wayward bishop tried to ordain a group of seven women on a boat in the middle of the Danube (outside of the jurisdiction of local bishops). So-called womenpriests generally try to trace themselves back to the Danube Seven to claim apostolic line. [/quote] Except that pouring water or ketchup on a steak and saying "you were born a cow, you are now a fish" does not mean the steak is now a fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1307926734' post='2252929'] Except that pouring water or ketchup on a steak and saying "you were born a cow, you are now a fish" does not mean the steak is now a fish. [/quote] Hence scare quotes around 'ordination', specifying that the wayward bishop "tried to" ordain them, and referring to them as "[i]so-called[/i] womenpriests". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 brb.. i'm off to get pregnant. ttyl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1307928368' post='2252947'] brb.. i'm off to get pregnant. ttyl. [/quote] does your wife know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 know it? she suggested it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ed Normile Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 The only thing that these women has Defied, is reality. They are not priests nor Roman Catholic either. They can play with hosts and wine all day long and all they will ever have is bread & wine.The shame is there are those who will be fooled into celebrating the farce with them and they will be hurt too. ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountDeleted Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Ok - please correct me if I'm worng, but I thought only a Bishop could ordain a priest? If so, then this whole thing doesn't work anyway because these women were 'ordained' by other 'priests' not by a Bishop. So they have not only defied Canon law by being ordained as women, and some as married women, but also being ordained by other 'priests' instead of a Bishop. Or are there occasions when one priest can ordain another one? Anyway, it's all irrelevant since the Church has not said that it 'won't' ordain women, but that it 'can't' ordain women. That's pretty clear to me. I don't feel sickened by this. I feel deeply saddened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 (edited) [font="Tahoma"][size="2"]"The Catholic Church through its long and constant teaching holds that ordination has been, from the beginning, reserved to men, a fact which cannot be changed despite changing times."[/size][/font] [font="Tahoma"] [/font][font="Tahoma"][size="2"]"The [b][u]cleric[/u][/b] and the "women priest" are automatically excommunicated"[/size][/font] [font="Tahoma"] [/font][font="Tahoma"][size="2"] -- Archbishop Donald W. Wuerl [/size][/font] [font="Tahoma"] [/font][font="Tahoma"][size="2"][img]http://summer.wtu.edu/img/about/wuerlAtLectern-300w.jpg[/img] [/size][/font] Edited June 13, 2011 by Papist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevil Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Women priests, this is fantastic. About time too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 They are priests in the same way as someone staying in a garage and pretending to be a car. The Church does not ordain priestesses. not now. not ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 [quote name='stevil' timestamp='1307963982' post='2253093'] Women priests, this is fantastic. About time too. [/quote] Yeah, I think it's about time men have babies, too. I think it's sexist that they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithLuin Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 (edited) Yeah, there's nothing particularly Catholic about what happened. As the SSPX knew all too well, you can't have new priests if you don't have a bishop. So, a priest can't just ordain another priest. If a bishop were to 'ordain' a woman as a bishop, that might look like it would work on paper (to have apostolic succession, I mean), but it doesn't actually work at all, so....even if you were to follow all the other rules, ignoring the 'men only' rule invalidates everything. I mean, it's not like the event was even held in a Catholic church - it was a UCC building. So, no, having an excommunicated woman lay hands on you does not make you a Catholic priest (regardless of who you are). But yes, these women have been automatically excommunicated, and the two who gave their names to NPR might find themselves formally excommunicated as well, should their bishops find out about it. ETA: It is disheartening that this happened right down the street from me, but...I will say that Catonsville has a wonderful Catholic community with several [b][u]faithful[/u][/b] orders of women religious right there (including Little Sisters of the Poor and the Nashville Dominicans, but I think there are maybe 3 other groups as well). Just a reminder that there are plenty of people who don't support the actions of this fringe group. Edited June 13, 2011 by MithLuin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 One of the things that I read about them is that they do "mass" twice a month. Real priests have to say mass every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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