Submitting To Earthly Authority

[infinitelord1]

[1 Peter 2]- 13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. 16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. 17 Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor.

[Romans 13]- 1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

[Titus 3]- 1 Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good, 2 to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and always to be gentle toward everyone.
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So we should just submit ourselves to anything that gives you an order?
What are the guidelines for submitting to an authority?

[Ed Normile]

Infinitelord, I think the scripture you posted makes it clear that its governing authority., not just anything that gives you an order. This is to direct people to live by the rules that are set in the society that they live in. To break these rules would be unlawful and therefore a sin.

ed

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1307734077' post='2252116']
Infinitelord, I think the scripture you posted makes it clear that its governing authority., not just anything that gives you an order. This is to direct people to live by the rules that are set in the society that they live in. To break these rules would be unlawful and therefore a sin.

ed
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Thats good to know. Thanks for the input. What about parents? Do you have to do everything they tell you to do? Even if you are 30 years old? Cuz im about to tell my mom to go away. haha.

[AudreyGrace]

[quote name='infinitelord1' timestamp='1307899753' post='2252775']
Thats good to know. Thanks for the input. What about parents? Do you have to do everything they tell you to do? Even if you are 30 years old? Cuz im about to tell my mom to go away. haha.
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lol... Honor your father and your mother. But I'm thinking that could be a thread of it's own.

[MithLuin]

Yeah, respect for parents goes much deeper than this piddling obedience!

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNp9rbQQ5Xk[/media]


Christians should be good people. We should love our neighbor. Do that, and obedience won't often be an issue.

(Yeah, yeah, easier said than done.)

Edited June 14, 2011 by MithLuin

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='MithLuin' timestamp='1308064705' post='2253630']
Yeah, respect for parents goes much deeper than this piddling obedience!

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNp9rbQQ5Xk[/media]


Christians should be good people. We should love our neighbor. Do that, and obedience won't often be an issue.

(Yeah, yeah, easier said than done.)
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I like Father Sudac's style. I agree with what you are saying.

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='AudreyGrace' timestamp='1307900810' post='2252781']
lol... Honor your father and your mother. But I'm thinking that could be a thread of it's own.
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I just don't see how some people would be held to "Honor your Father and Mother". What if the Mother is a cracked out Prostitute who doesn't give a rats about her kids? Who is abusive? Who is never home? What then?

Is this one of those things that only applies if they are not misleading you into mortal sin? Or does it always apply even when they lead you into sin?

Edited June 15, 2011 by infinitelord1

[stevil]

[quote name='infinitelord1' timestamp='1308121604' post='2253948']
I just don't see how some people would be held to "Honor your Father and Mother". What if the Mother is a cracked out Prostitute who doesn't give a rats about her kids? Who is abusive? Who is never home? What then?
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From a humanistic point of view, I think respecting your mother as a person would be a good start, hopefully teaching or helping her to respect herself, find herself, love herself and ultimately love her children. Nobody wants to be selfloathing, but life is a challenge, more for some than others. Sometimes it takes hitting rock bottom to get the wakeup call. But a person always remembers those that support them and provide them with love especially when they deem themselves as unlovable.

[havok579257]

[quote name='infinitelord1' timestamp='1308121604' post='2253948']
I just don't see how some people would be held to "Honor your Father and Mother". What if the Mother is a cracked out Prostitute who doesn't give a rats about her kids? Who is abusive? Who is never home? What then?

Is this one of those things that only applies if they are not misleading you into mortal sin? Or does it always apply even when they lead you into sin?
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you are a sinner just like your mother. just because your a sinner doesn't mean you don't deserve respect. same goes for your mother. respecting your parents is not about following everything they say even if it leads to sin. its about showing proper respect to your parents since they raised you. God doesn't say honor your mother and father if they do such and such. he says honor your mother and father.

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1308151691' post='2254007']
you are a sinner just like your mother. just because your a sinner doesn't mean you don't deserve respect. same goes for your mother. respecting your parents is not about following everything they say even if it leads to sin. its about showing proper respect to your parents since they raised you. God doesn't say honor your mother and father if they do such and such. he says honor your mother and father.
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Thats fine. But does respecting them require that you do everything that they say?

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='infinitelord1' timestamp='1308178519' post='2254309']
Thats fine. But does respecting them require that you do everything that they say?
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Sorry. Just realized you already answered that.

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='stevil' timestamp='1308133153' post='2253954']
From a humanistic point of view, I think respecting your mother as a person would be a good start, hopefully teaching or helping her to respect herself, find herself, love herself and ultimately love her children. Nobody wants to be selfloathing, but life is a challenge, more for some than others. Sometimes it takes hitting rock bottom to get the wakeup call. But a person always remembers those that support them and provide them with love especially when they deem themselves as unlovable.
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I think a mother should have love for her children. She should also discipline her children in a loving manner. This, in my mind, applies to both parents. Not just the mother. If a parent is abusive to his/her children then it would make sense as to why a child would grow up having anger towards that parent. That can go as far as treating a child in a non-loving manner. Of course we should all respect our parents. But if our parents never respected us, then it would be very hard to return that respect to our parents. We probably would not know how to respect people in general if our parents never respected us. Its a 2 way street.

[stevil]

[quote name='infinitelord1' timestamp='1308202936' post='2254462']
I think a mother should have love for her children. She should also discipline her children in a loving manner. This, in my mind, applies to both parents. Not just the mother. If a parent is abusive to his/her children then it would make sense as to why a child would grow up having anger towards that parent. That can go as far as treating a child in a non-loving manner. Of course we should all respect our parents. But if our parents never respected us, then it would be very hard to return that respect to our parents. We probably would not know how to respect people in general if our parents never respected us. Its a 2 way street.
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Yes, agreed, we are all just human after all.
I feel being a child you have a natural dependency on your parents. There is a point in life that the only reason why you continue to live is because your parents keep a close eye on you and make sure you don't swallow anything or put your fingers into power sockets or crawl onto the road...
But as a child your perspective is that your parents are infallible, they are your role model, and your masters. When they don't live up to these expectations it is near on impossible for a child to recognise that their parents are simply fallible humans. As dependent children it is hard to be compassionate and supportive of your parents especially when they are down and out. We are very much a product of our environment and when we don't learn good values and behaviours from our parents it is difficult for us to behave favorably. It is my opinion that children tend to be very much a mirror of their parents.

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='stevil' timestamp='1308223697' post='2254520']
Yes, agreed, we are all just human after all.
I feel being a child you have a natural dependency on your parents. There is a point in life that the only reason why you continue to live is because your parents keep a close eye on you and make sure you don't swallow anything or put your fingers into power sockets or crawl onto the road...
But as a child your perspective is that your parents are infallible, they are your role model, and your masters. When they don't live up to these expectations it is near on impossible for a child to recognise that their parents are simply fallible humans. As dependent children it is hard to be compassionate and supportive of your parents especially when they are down and out. We are very much a product of our environment and when we don't learn good values and behaviours from our parents it is difficult for us to behave favorably. It is my opinion that children tend to be very much a mirror of their parents.
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What is Stevil mean? St. Evil?

[stevil]

[quote name='infinitelord1' timestamp='1308292812' post='2254979']
What is Stevil mean? St. Evil?
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LOL

My name is Stephen. When I was at University many years ago, I lived n a Student Village for a year and liked to play Heavy Metal music. I guess people tried to link my name with a perception that Heavy Metal was evil. Anyway, the name kind of stuck with me and I have been using it online ever since. It was much, much better than my previous nickname.