Game Of Thrones

[kujo]

[quote name='MithLuin' timestamp='1307651387' post='2251750']
Yeah, that's probably the main reason I haven't read George R. R. Martin. I've heard his books are great, and from what I can tell, what makes them great is the type of thing that would really appeal to me....(heroic epic!)...but....I don't really need to get into a series that has that much sexual content (I mean, from what I gather). So, I just enjoy the fanart, and leave that as an unexplored vista that I glance at wistfully now and again.

So. I'd read the books before I'd watch the TV series, I think!

Jenny Dolfen's fanart may be found here: [url=http://www.goldseven.de/inhalt/galleries/categ/asoif_i.html]Gold Seven's 'A Song of Ice and Fire' gallery[/url]
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The TV series is much more sexually-explicit than the books.

[Nihil Obstat]

Pornographic, really. I was very disappointed because it could have been handled far more discretely, and we'd have been left with an extremely good series.

[kujo]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1307731883' post='2252095']
Pornographic, really. I was very disappointed because it could have been handled far more discretely, and we'd have been left with an extremely good series.
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Agreed.

It's excessive, to the point of exclusion; I was really excited to watch this show with my dad, who LOVES this sort of series. But there's no way I could watch it with him now...

[Nihil Obstat]

There's no way I could watch it at all. I gave the second episode a chance, but it was just getting worse.

[Jesus_lol]

It is really explicit, but i am ok with that. I've seen worse, and this show is really the definition of excellent otherwise. To be honest, if this show wasnt sexually explicit, it would be pretty unfaithful to the books. but it could stand to be toned down a bit.



[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1307722441' post='2252022']
The TV series is much more sexually-explicit than the books.
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I was gonna say otherwise actually... obviously, visually they are more explicit, but sex stuff is generally more frequent and more deviant in the books. ie: Daenerys was changed from a young teenager to a grown woman for the TV series.

[kujo]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1307761335' post='2252259']
It is really explicit, but i am ok with that. I've seen worse, and this show is really the definition of excellent otherwise. To be honest, if this show wasnt sexually explicit, it would be pretty unfaithful to the books. but it could stand to be toned down a bit.





I was gonna say otherwise actually... obviously, visually they are more explicit, but sex stuff is generally more frequent and more deviant in the books. ie: Daenerys was changed from a young teenager to a grown woman for the TV series.
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I guess the visual representation makes it all the more graphic and explicit. But you're right--so much of the sexual content in the book involves preteens and teens (and brothers and sisters and cousins). And while that might actually be fairly accurate, historically-speaking, it is no less shocking. It's no surprise that they aged Daenerys (to 16, I believe) and nearly every other character; Joffrey, Sansa, Rickon, Bran and Robb are all either [i]literally[/i] older, or appear to be older, than their novelized counterparts.

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1307830749' post='2252484']
I guess the visual representation makes it all the more graphic and explicit. But you're right--so much of the sexual content in the book involves preteens and teens (and brothers and sisters and cousins). And while that might actually be fairly accurate, historically-speaking, it is no less shocking. It's no surprise that they aged Daenerys (to 16, I believe) and nearly every other character; Joffrey, Sansa, Rickon, Bran and Robb are all either [i]literally[/i] older, or appear to be older, than their novelized counterparts.
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yeah, pretty much. i need to find a bookstore and get the rest of that series.

his books are really refreshing to me. political intrigue is great, he has a habit of killing off main characters, so fightscenes are given a actual sense of urgency and unknown. And yes it is historically accurate. Current culture frowns upon it, but being married in your mid teens used to be extremely common. especially when you consider that living to be more than say 40 years old was unusual back then.

In the context of a culture of war, infighting, murder, torture etc i dont find the sex stuff very disturbing. but nearly every fantasy novel has a scene or two of detailed torture, or the mass killing of innocents, or general rape and ravages of war.

[kujo]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1307850799' post='2252643']
yeah, pretty much. i need to find a bookstore and get the rest of that series.

his books are really refreshing to me. political intrigue is great, he has a habit of killing off main characters, so fightscenes are given a actual sense of urgency and unknown. And yes it is historically accurate. Current culture frowns upon it, but being married in your mid teens used to be extremely common. especially when you consider that living to be more than say 40 years old was unusual back then.

In the context of a culture of war, infighting, murder, torture etc i dont find the sex stuff very disturbing. but nearly every fantasy novel has a scene or two of detailed torture, or the mass killing of innocents, or general rape and ravages of war.
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I never thought of it that way. Perhaps Martin is unknowingly-criticizing contemporary culture with these novels, showing the results of a culture divorced from God. Even the people in the story who are pious seems to meet unfortunate ends, typically at the hands of "bad people." So while it could be that Martin is showing how a truly atheistic society might devolve, he does seem that he's saying that it's hard to be a pious individual when the world around you views your beliefs as a sign of weakness.

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1307883648' post='2252737']
I never thought of it that way. Perhaps Martin is unknowingly-criticizing contemporary culture with these novels, showing the results of a culture divorced from God. Even the people in the story who are pious seems to meet unfortunate ends, typically at the hands of "bad people." So while it could be that Martin is showing how a truly atheistic society might devolve, he does seem that he's saying that it's hard to be a pious individual when the world around you views your beliefs as a sign of weakness.
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perhaps. although if you note, in Westeros(game of thrones world) there are kinda two religions, the "old gods" and "the 7" or the new gods. i dont recall any details about them though, but they do exist.
i havent so much seen it as a comment on religion per se, more on the level of cruelty all men are capable of.

I would imagine that our own middle ages were quite a bit like the world depicted in Game of Thrones. violent bloody wars, exceedingly cruel torture and punishment for crimes, a religion is in place that nearly everyone follows, from rapists and murderers, to innocent children. and the culture of Lords and the wealthy, where they can pretty much do anything they want to the common people.

[sistersintigo]

Started a thread on Dance of Dragons, although not under TV or Movies.
Dance of Dragons is the newest book in A Song of Ice and Fire, of which series the first book is titled Game of Thrones. This series of books is the source for the HBO TV series.
Up to this point, reading through George R R Martin's books, I have much enjoyed the chapters concerning young Bran Stark who is on a quest for his true destiny after being permanently crippled by being shoved out of a window.
Dance of Dragons, though, might provoke some readers to draw a line in the sand. Bran Stark is still alive, still on his quest, and he finally takes steps toward a lifetime commitment. Oops, interesting slip there, as the steps are metaphorical.
The question is if Bran Stark's, shall we say, commitment in Dance of Dragons is something that Catholics don't want their children to read. How do you feel about "old gods" or "old religion"?

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='sistersintigo' timestamp='1311005021' post='2269447']
Started a thread on Dance of Dragons, although not under TV or Movies.
Dance of Dragons is the newest book in A Song of Ice and Fire, of which series the first book is titled Game of Thrones. This series of books is the source for the HBO TV series.
Up to this point, reading through George R R Martin's books, I have much enjoyed the chapters concerning young Bran Stark who is on a quest for his true destiny after being permanently crippled by being shoved out of a window.
Dance of Dragons, though, might provoke some readers to draw a line in the sand. Bran Stark is still alive, still on his quest, and he finally takes steps toward a lifetime commitment. Oops, interesting slip there, as the steps are metaphorical.
The question is if Bran Stark's, shall we say, commitment in Dance of Dragons is something that Catholics don't want their children to read. How do you feel about "old gods" or "old religion"?
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well, it is really hard to fault someone for not being catholic in a place that was not created by the Christian god, and where no such similar God or Religion exists.

The book isnt set in Delaware or Liverpool or Sweden, It is set in an entirely different world/universe with its own rules and different religions. So, in that context "derp why isnt he catholic" makes no sense. "Old Gods" or "pagan sorta Gods" or whatever is completely relative. and in that world, they could be the true religion. or all of them could be true, other gods certainly show their effectiveness at times.