Nihil Obstat Posted May 31, 2011 Author Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1306803675' post='2247886'] The reference to the My lai also seems unsavory. It's not that the soldier in question isn't a hero. Or that he was wrong to order his gunner to fire on American soldiers if necessary to save the civilians in question. It's that the whole reference was highly out of place. It is understandable that in his rush to make a point, Nihil didn't bother to actually take 30 seconds to find out what Memorial day celebrates. But really, even if this was Veterans day it would still be really somewhat inappropiate. My Lai was one of the lowest points in America's military history. It's not that it is inappropiate the bring it up or reference an American soldier being forced to consider firing on his fellow soldiers in general, but that it is rude to do so in a thread devoted to celebrating the good things about the military. It would be somewhat like if you all had a very touching thread devoted to the Papacy of John Paul II in the wake of his death and I busted in and made an absolutely unnecessary post talking about Cardinal law and his failures to confront the sex abuse. Is there a place to mention PJII's failures regarding the sex abuse scandals? Of course. But a thread solemly celebrating his life is really not the place. It's just in bad taste. [/quote] I think your exuberance in painting me as a soldier-hater is rather unkind and, dare I say, in bad taste.. The reason you honour fallen soldiers, as far as I know, is to honour the fact that they defended freedom throughout the world. I won't get into the debate on whether or not they actually do today; this is neither the time nor the place for that particular debate. However, if we're honouring soldiers for sacrificing their lives for freedom, then it's perfectly acceptable and understandable for me to bring up Hugh Thompson, besides the subtleties of dead versus living soldiers that we already went over. Don't the actions of Hugh Thompson exemplify in the most perfect way what the American military is supposed to stand for? By holding him up as a hero I consider myself to be honouring the best aspects of the American military in direct opposition to the bad tendencies in the US and every other group made of fallen and corruptible men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amppax Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1306809292' post='2247950'] I think your exuberance in painting me as a soldier-hater is rather unkind and, dare I say, in bad taste.. The reason you honour fallen soldiers, as far as I know, is to honour the fact that they defended freedom throughout the world. I won't get into the debate on whether or not they actually do today; this is neither the time nor the place for that particular debate. However, if we're honouring soldiers for sacrificing their lives for freedom, then it's perfectly acceptable and understandable for me to bring up Hugh Thompson, besides the subtleties of dead versus living soldiers that we already went over. Don't the actions of Hugh Thompson exemplify in the most perfect way what the American military is supposed to stand for? By holding him up as a hero I consider myself to be honouring the best aspects of the American military in direct opposition to the bad tendencies in the US and every other group made of fallen and corruptible men. [/quote] this doesn't seem to have any relevance to what Hasan said, jussayin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudreyGrace Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 [font=arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif][size=2]I think it is very untactful that you posted this. That's all I have to say. It is completely unnecessary. Please don't try to defend yourself. I don't see any good reason why you would have had to pick him for this, and I thought you had the brains to think "gee, maybe this isn't the [i]greatest [/i]idea I've ever had." Guess not. [/size][/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 31, 2011 Author Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote name='AudreyGrace' timestamp='1306811334' post='2247957'] [font=arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif][size=2]I think it is very untactful that you posted this. That's all I have to say. It is completely unnecessary. Please don't try to defend yourself. I don't see any good reason why you would have had to pick him for this, and I thought you had the brains to think "gee, maybe this isn't the [i]greatest [/i]idea I've ever had." Guess not. [/size][/font] [/quote] We already established that it's not entirely clear to a non-American what the difference is between Memorial Day and Veteran's Day. In Canada and Britain there is only one such day- Remembrance Day. Besides that I've been extremely clear- there is nothing whatsoever disrespectful in speaking of Hugh Thompson, and your post is very much uncalled for. You're normally far more levelheaded and thoughtful than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amppax Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1306811702' post='2247959'] We already established that it's not entirely clear to a non-American what the difference is between Memorial Day and Veteran's Day. In Canada and Britain there is only one such day- Remembrance Day. Besides that I've been extremely clear- there is nothing whatsoever disrespectful in speaking of Hugh Thompson, and your post is very much uncalled for. You're normally far more levelheaded and thoughtful than this. [/quote] Nihil, multiple people have explained Memorial Day to you, so you lost that excuse a long time ago. And considering that nearly EVERYONE disagrees with you bringing up Hugh Thompson today, maybe you might want to rethink that. Instead of trying to prove you were right this entire time, you might have just apologized for having offended anybody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 31, 2011 Author Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote name='Amppax' timestamp='1306811883' post='2247961'] Nihil, multiple people have explained Memorial Day to you, so you lost that excuse a long time ago. And considering that nearly EVERYONE disagrees with you bringing up Hugh Thompson today, maybe you might want to rethink that. Instead of trying to prove you were right this entire time, you might have just apologized for having offended anybody [/quote] We've been over this a dozen times now. When I posted that I was unaware of the difference. Now I am, and I have learned something, so we can lay that matter to rest. On the topic of Hugh Thompson, it is unfortunate that nobody is willing to actually try to find out why I bring that up. Do I need to repost what I said earlier?? [i]The reason you honour fallen soldiers, as far as I know, is to honour the fact that they defended freedom throughout the world. I won't get into the debate on whether or not they actually do today; this is neither the time nor the place for that particular debate. However, if we're honouring soldiers for sacrificing their lives for freedom, then it's perfectly acceptable and understandable for me to bring up Hugh Thompson, besides the subtleties of dead versus living soldiers that we already went over. Don't the actions of Hugh Thompson exemplify in the most perfect way what the American military is supposed to stand for? By holding him up as a hero I consider myself to be honouring the best aspects of the American military in direct opposition to the bad tendencies in the US and every other group made of fallen and corruptible men. [/i] SO: [list] [*]While today is the day to honour dead soldiers, a custom of which I was unaware, [*]My post regarding Hugh Thompson was [i]not in any way[/i] disrespectful of soldiers, living or dead, [*]On the contrary it honours what the American military is meant to stand for, i.e. peace and freedom and justice [/list] I don't see why this is so hard to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudreyGrace Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1306812236' post='2247967'] I don't see why this is so hard to understand. [/quote] the fact of the matter is that it DID offend some of us, even if you don't understand why. A simple "i don't understand the exact sentiment of Memorial Day, and if i offended anyone, i'm sorry" would have sufficed. I'm done with this thread. It's just feeding into something that never should have been acknowledged in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 31, 2011 Author Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote name='AudreyGrace' timestamp='1306812415' post='2247968'] the fact of the matter is that it DID offend some of us, even if you don't understand why. A simple "i don't understand the exact sentiment of Memorial Day, and if i offended anyone, i'm sorry" would have sufficed. I'm done with this thread. It's just feeding into something that never should have been acknowledged in the first place. [/quote] I'm not going to apologize for that. My post disrespected nobody, living or dead. The only thing I am guilty of is not being clear on the difference between Memorial Day and Veteran's Day, and all that is is a simple faux pas of which I was corrected quite quickly. Certainly nothing which requires an apology, just as I don't expect you Americans to apologize if you misunderstand the point of Victoria Day and other Commonwealth holidays. This deliberate misreading of my posts is disrespectful and blatant flamebait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1306812236' post='2247967'] We've been over this a dozen times now. When I posted that I was unaware of the difference. Now I am, and I have learned something, so we can lay that matter to rest. On the topic of Hugh Thompson, it is unfortunate that nobody is willing to actually try to find out why I bring that up. Do I need to repost what I said earlier?? [i]The reason you honour fallen soldiers, as far as I know, is to honour the fact that they defended freedom throughout the world. I won't get into the debate on whether or not they actually do today; this is neither the time nor the place for that particular debate. However, if we're honouring soldiers for sacrificing their lives for freedom, then it's perfectly acceptable and understandable for me to bring up Hugh Thompson, besides the subtleties of dead versus living soldiers that we already went over. Don't the actions of Hugh Thompson exemplify in the most perfect way what the American military is supposed to stand for? By holding him up as a hero I consider myself to be honouring the best aspects of the American military in direct opposition to the bad tendencies in the US and every other group made of fallen and corruptible men. [/i] SO: [list][*]While today is the day to honour dead soldiers, a custom of which I was unaware,[*]My post regarding Hugh Thompson was [i]not in any way[/i] disrespectful of soldiers, living or dead,[*]On the contrary it honours what the American military is meant to stand for, i.e. peace and freedom and justice[/list] I don't see why this is so hard to understand. [/quote] Well thank you for setting that straight. Now that you have explained to everyone that their feelings that you were being distasteful were wrong and you were, on the contracy, actually setting the purest of examples, if only they were wise enough to see it, I guess this matter is resolved. I genuinly apologize for having wasted your time and hope that in the future you will continue to take the time to explain to me and other Americans when you are and are not correct about matters of taste regarding an American holiday. I guess you're having to bear the burden of genius. Aside from Socrates, I don't think anybody here has tried to just jump on you about this. Nobody has tried to just back you into a corner about this. People have just tried to calmly explain to you why so many people found your comments distasteful and yet despite that your snide flooping attitude about this just keeps getting worse and worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 (edited) nvm Edited May 31, 2011 by Hasan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 31, 2011 Author Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1306812718' post='2247973'] Well thank you for setting that straight. Now that you have explained to everyone that their feelings that you were being distasteful were wrong and you were, on the contracy, actually setting the purest of examples, if only they were wise enough to see it, I guess this matter is resolved. I genuinly apologize for having wasted your time and hope that in the future you will continue to take the time to explain to me and other Americans when you are and are not correct about matters of taste regarding an American holiday. I guess you're having to bear the burden of genius. Aside from Socrates, I don't think anybody here has tried to just jump on you about this. Nobody has tried to just back you into a corner about this. People have just tried to calmly explain to you why so many people found your comments distasteful and yet despite that your snide flooping attitude about this just keeps getting worse and worse. [/quote] What exactly is your problem with me? Is it any wonder I feel the need to defend myself with the likes of you posting inanities like this?[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1306812778' post='2247974'] nvm [/quote] Good try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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4588686 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1306812886' post='2247976'] What exactly is your problem with me? Is it any wonder I feel the need to defend myself with the likes of you posting inanities like this?[/QUOTE] I don't have a problem with you. I do have a problem with how you've acted in this thread. People have tried to very reasonably explain to you that your post was in poor taste. Rather than engage in any substantive way with that you've just repeated how right you are and expressed concern that everybody else is unable to grasp just how silly they were to find your post in bad taste. Stated succinctly, my problem is that despite the obviously wasted effort of individuals to help you understand why they found your comments in bad taste, your snide attitude just gets worse and worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amppax Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1306813509' post='2247988'] I don't have a problem with you. I do have a problem with how you've acted in this thread. People have tried to very reasonably explain to you that your post was in poor taste. Rather than engage in any substantive way with that you've just repeated how right you are and expressed concern that everybody else is unable to grasp just how silly they were to find your post in bad taste. Stated succinctly, my problem is that despite the obviously wasted effort of individuals to help you understand why they found your comments in bad taste, your snide attitude just gets worse and worse. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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