Nihil Obstat Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Hugh Thompson Jr.: [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_M9JRlA_879c/THyg-H_-ZnI/AAAAAAAACPw/PTYiZDRR_Yw/s1600/413px-Hugh_Tompson_Jr.jpg[/img] Intervened to rescue civilians during the My Lai massacre. Also ordered his crew to fire on US soldiers if necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 he didn't die in a war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 [quote name='Lilllabettt' timestamp='1306780460' post='2247713'] he didn't die in a war [/quote] If he isn't a war hero, then nobody is. Also, if you must have dead people, two in his crew died later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1306781544' post='2247719'] If he isn't a war hero, then nobody is. Also, if you must have dead people, two in his crew died later. [/quote] You silly Canadian. You have your holidays confused. In America, Veterans Day celebrates the service of people who fought in war. Memorial Day is set aside to honor the memory of people who made the ultimate sacrifice in war. See the difference? Its a pity the distinction is lost on so many people; it is not lost on those who actually serve. The soldier you mentioned would probably be annoyed in the extreme to be "remembered' by you on Memorial Day. On a related note: Memorial Day is a somber remembrance - it is NOT a celebration - not of war heroism or anything else. It is basically a national funeral. I do not think much of the Westboro Baptists, or anybody else who chooses to grandstand during a funeral, using the occasion of other people's grief to try and make a "point" or make people "think." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 [quote name='Lilllabettt' timestamp='1306787185' post='2247760'] You silly Canadian. You have your holidays confused. In America, Veterans Day celebrates the service of people who fought in war. Memorial Day is set aside to honor the memory of people who made the ultimate sacrifice in war. See the difference? Its a pity the distinction is lost on so many people; it is not lost on those who actually serve. The soldier you mentioned would probably be annoyed in the extreme to be "remembered' by you on Memorial Day. On a related note: Memorial Day is a somber remembrance - it is NOT a celebration - not of war heroism or anything else. It is basically a national funeral. I do not think much of the Westboro Baptists, or anybody else who chooses to grandstand during a funeral, using the occasion of other people's grief to try and make a "point" or make people "think." [/quote] Memorial Day exists only in the United States. I would not be surprised that non-Americans don't see the differences, especially considering that it appears to be commemorated identically to your Veteran's Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenciledOne Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1306787789' post='2247762'] Memorial Day exists only in the United States. I would not be surprised that non-Americans don't see the differences, especially considering that it appears to be commemorated identically to your Veteran's Day. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1306787789' post='2247762'] Memorial Day exists only in the United States. I would not be surprised that non-Americans don't see the differences, especially considering that it appears to be commemorated identically to your Veteran's Day. [/quote] It would not be hard to figure out if you read DS's OP. I understand you wanted to make people think with the soldier you selected. And he certainly was a hero that day. But interjecting him seems to have been done to make a political point and could be taken as fairly disrespectful to the tone of the day (not that plenty of American's don't disrespect the day too). If you really didn't know what the purpose of memorial day is and just missed DS introduction then that's fair enough. Mistakes happen. But can we all just stop makeing posts on this thread that don't have a direct function of remembering America's fallen service members? Edited May 30, 2011 by Hasan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1306787789' post='2247762'] Memorial Day exists only in the United States. I would not be surprised that non-Americans don't see the differences, especially considering that it appears to be commemorated identically to your Veteran's Day. [/quote] key word: appears. not: is. a simple search even on wikipedia would have yielded answers: [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_Day"]Memorial Day[/url] [quote]Memorial Day is a United States federal holiday observed on the last Monday of May.[1] Formerly known as Decoration Day, which was first recorded to have been observed by Freedmen (freed enslaved southern blacks) in Charleston, South Carolina in 1865, at the Washington Race Course, to remember the fallen Union soldiers of the Civil War. Today, what is now known as Memorial Day,[b] is a day of reflection and recognition of ordinary people who sometimes visit cemeteries and graves to honor their deceased relatives while also commemorating all U.S. Service Members who died while in military service.[/b][2] The recognition of the fallen victims was then enacted under the name Memorial Day by an organization of Union veterans — the Grand Army of the Republic (GAR)[3] — to honor Union soldiers of the American Civil War. Over time, it was extended after World War I to honor all Americans who have died in all wars.[/quote] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veterans_Day"]Veterans Day[/url] [quote][b]Veterans Day is an annual United States holiday honoring military veterans.[/b] A federal holiday, it is observed on November 11. It is also celebrated as Armistice Day or Remembrance Day in other parts of the world, falling on November 11, the anniversary of the signing of the Armistice that ended World War I. (Major hostilities of World War I were formally ended at the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month of 1918 with the German signing of the Armistice.)[/quote] (more history at respective links.)[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1306789026' post='2247773'] It would not be hard to figure out if you read DS's OP. I understand you wanted to make people think with the soldier you selected. And he certainly was a hero that day. But interjecting him seems to have been done to make a political point and could be taken as fairly disrespectful to the tone of the day (not that plenty of American's don't disrespect the day too). If you really didn't know what the purpose of memorial day is and just missed DS introduction then that's fair enough. Mistakes happen. But can we all just stop makeing posts on this thread that don't have a direct function of remembering America's fallen service members? [/quote] now that the topic is split, it's alright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Yep, let's use Memorial Day as an occassion to bash America and America's armed forces. Classy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1306792420' post='2247797'] Yep, let's use Memorial Day as an occassion to bash America and America's armed forces. Classy. [/quote] Who was doing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1306795701' post='2247807'] Who was doing that? [/quote] lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1306795701' post='2247807'] Who was doing that? [/quote] Ain't you coy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1306796511' post='2247817'] Ain't you coy. [/quote] I don't see how it is disrespectful to those who work in the American military to recognize the My Lai massacre as murder. Unless you are planning on arguing that it was completely justified, that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1306796651' post='2247819'] I don't see how it is disrespectful to those who work in the American military to recognize the My Lai massacre as murder. Unless you are planning on arguing that it was completely justified, that is. [/quote] Without having seen the posts in their original setting, I would probably guess that it had to do with context, not subject matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 You know I am not a total stickwit. Its not like I am so deeply offended when people don't know the difference btwn Memorial/Veterans Day that I have to point it out and make a scene. You posted a picture of a soldier who didn't make the ultimate sacrifice, and noted that he defended civilians at My Lai. Fine, great, I wouldn't have got on your case. But then for some reason you made sure to note that he gave orders to fire on US troops if necessary. That was the tipping point for me. Totally inappropriate, deliberately provocative political schtick in a thread remembering the dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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