Dropping Like Flies

[Maximilianus]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1306117783' post='2244682']
Yes. Obama will win in 2012. Then he will not have to worry about being reelected. Then AMERICA SHALL SUBMIT TO SECRET ISLAM!
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Does that come with a decoder ring?

[jkaands]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1306117304' post='2244674']
[img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gcA0ZuKGkI8/TKCVvGOsJQI/AAAAAAAAI5o/i-3SXMBOwVw/s1600/Obama+reaches+to+islam.jpg[/img]


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That picture is of the man who executed Osama bin Laden.

[4588686]

[quote name='jkaands' timestamp='1306119605' post='2244703']
That picture is of the man who executed Osama bin Laden.
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Obama is a Secret Muslim Navy Seal? That's baller.

[Nihil Obstat]

[img]http://www.digitalmeetingcenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/ron_paul_500px.jpg[/img]
I think he's the only one with a hope of saving the US from bankruptcy in the medium-term future. Unfortunately I don't think he has a hope.

[Groo the Wanderer]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1306109678' post='2244631']
seems likely nominees for the Republican ticket are dropping: Mitch Daniels, Donald Trump...who else?

who is left to run? who do you think is a good candidate?

i confess, i'm not excited about anyone, especially Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum or Tim Pawlenty.

anyone know much about Allen West?
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Adam West?


Holy Cheesy Candidates, Batman!

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1306119652' post='2244704']That's baller.
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I just had a flashback of my freshman year of high school. Thanks hassy!

[MIKolbe]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1306119780' post='2244705']
[img]http://www.digitalmeetingcenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/ron_paul_500px.jpg[/img]
I think he's the only one with a hope of saving the US from bankruptcy in the medium-term future. Unfortunately I don't think he has a hope.
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agree.

and

agree.

[Cherie]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1306119780' post='2244705']
[img]http://www.digitalmeetingcenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/ron_paul_500px.jpg[/img]
I think he's the only one with a hope of saving the US from bankruptcy in the medium-term future. Unfortunately I don't think he has a hope.
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I'm not sold on Ron Paul. I don't like his whole perspective on moral/social issues, but then again, I don't necessarily totally agree with the Libertarian viewpoint on that anyway.

And, it doesn't really matter what I think of him, because you're right: he wouldn't have a hope anyway.

[BG45]

The GOP has no one who can survive a hands down and dragged out mud slinging contest that the 2012 race will become. I'd say Romney will probably get the nomination, I'd actually vote for Paul if he got it. Everyone else just has so much personal baggage that can be tossed at them.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='CherieMadame' timestamp='1306154219' post='2244828']
I'm not sold on Ron Paul. I don't like his whole perspective on moral/social issues, but then again, I don't necessarily totally agree with the Libertarian viewpoint on that anyway.

And, it doesn't really matter what I think of him, because you're right: he wouldn't have a hope anyway.
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He's as pro-life and anti-war as you could possibly want. Or is it the heroin and marijuana that scares you?

[Laudate_Dominum]

I'm voting for Don Piano or somebody like that.

The garden and the driveway, MINE!

[Era Might]

Boss Tweed 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cherie]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1306169869' post='2244904']
He's as pro-life and anti-war as you could possibly want. Or is it the heroin and marijuana that scares you?
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Nah, I'm just not entirely convinced about Libertarianism.

Article from one of my Facebook friend's page - not sure who to credit for it:

[quote]Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) has always claimed to be a right to life advocate, and this will be a major theme in his 2012 presidential campaign. He is already portraying himself as an anti-abortion champion in Iowa and South Carolina. The Texan says "I believe beyond a doubt that a fetus is a human life deserving of legal protection," and he is now repeating that message in front of many anti-abortion organizations.

[b]Abortion and the 2012 Campaign[/b]

The Congressman has gained considerable support since his 2008 campaign, and this is especially true among young people. Many of the Congressman's views are controversial, but Republicans who dismiss him are making a mistake. The unofficial 2012 Ron Paul campaign has the enthusiasm, dedication and money to attract 20% of the vote in the first five GOP primaries leading into the 14 state Super Tuesday.

The lawmaker will be 77 next year and will not be nominated, but he clearly has the potential to be a kingmaker. The libertarians could well determine the GOP nominee, platform and future direction of the party.

The Paul strategy is to move beyond his libertarian base and to gather support from the Tea Party and religious right. Evangelicals have long dominated Iowa's first-in-the-nation presidential precinct caucuses, and social issues will continue to be their dominant concern.

The religious right is also strong in South Carolina, 28 New Hampshire state legislators belong to Paul's Republican Liberty Caucus, and the Congressman's best state in 2008 was Nevada where he came in second.

To achieve his goals Paul has been emphasizing his record as a social conservative. He has made many impressive statements in support of the pro-life movement, but his base of support is the Libertarian Party which has always been pro-abortion.

Paul is able to straddle both groups with his "Sanctity of Life Act". The Congressman can tell right-to-lifers he has the best legislation to achieve their goal, and at the same time he can assure his libertarian base that they have nothing to worry about, and abortion will continue to be legal. Rep. Paul says:

[indent]I'm surprised I don't have more co-sponsors for my Sanctity of Life Act. It removes the jurisdiction from the federal courts and allows the states to pass protection to the unborn. Instead of waiting years for a Constitutional Amendment, this would happen immediately, by majority vote in the Congress and a president's signature. It's a much easier way to accomplish this, by following what our Constitution directs us. Instead of new laws.

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What the Congressman is not mentioning is that the Sanctity of Life Act is a federal law which would give states the authority to allow abortions. The Congressman is essentially saying he wants it to be legal to kill a child if a state agrees.

He is saying the federal government has no right to tell states what they can do regarding abortion, and this would return the nation to the situation which existed prior to the 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling. On the one hand the Congressman says the purpose of government is to protect life, and on the other he is saying this should no longer be a federal responsibility. He believes abortion is an act of violence so it should be a state rather than a federal responsibility.

After 38 years of judicial involvement there will have to be a federal solution, so many believe Rep. Paul's solution is impractical. By returning this issue to the states discriminatory practices would obviously be established. Anti-abortion advocates believe all unborn children deserve a right to life from the moment they are "created". In other words, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

[b]Paul: The Federal Government Should Have Nothing To Say About Abortion[/b]

Abortion is the first issue discussed in Paul's new book [i]Liberty Defined: 50 Essential Issues That Affect Our Freedom[/i]. Libertarian leader Lew Rockwell, who previously served as the Congressman's Chief of Staff, discussed Paul's abortion position in his recent book review: "If a community wants to permit the practice, Dr. Paul's view is that the federal government should have nothing to say about it either way." Ron Paul had the same position on slavery and civil rights. He is the only Member of Congress who is opposed to the 1964 Civil Rights Act. He believes if a state supported slavery or segregation it should be of no concern to the federal government. He wants the federal government to regulate very few things.

Paul will not acknowledge that human rights trump states' rights. States' rights is an important element of the Paul campaign, but states really have powers, not rights. It is the people who have rights.

[b]Paul Opposes Federal Law To Ban Abortion[/b]

Similar to many liberal Democrats, the Congressman says he is personally opposed to abortion. They all say we should educate people rather than having restrictive laws. He compares abortion to prohibition, and says laws to restrict alcohol were not effective because you can not force people. In this video he says abortion laws will not work, [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ctsja3awrD4#at=144"]http://www.youtube.c...ja3awrD4#at=144[/url]

The Texan has repeatedly said abortion should be illegal, but does not want to do anything about it. He does not believe there should be any liability for seeking an abortion, and does not support a federal right to life constitutional amendment. He has repeatedly stated that a federal law banning abortion across all 50 states would be invalid. Despite his pro-life rhetoric, Ron Paul says nothing in the Constitution authorizes the federal government to ban abortion, and he opposes such a federal law: [url="http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance194.html"]http://www.lewrockwe...e/vance194.html[/url]

[indent]Under the 9th and 10th amendments, all authority over matters not specifically addressed in the Constitution remains with state legislatures. Therefore the federal government has no authority whatsoever to involve itself in the abortion issue. So while Roe v. Wade is invalid, a federal law banning abortion across all 50 states would be equally invalid.

[/indent][b]Ron Paul And The 14th Amendment[/b]

The pro-life movement wants to end legal abortion, reverse the Roe v. Wade decision, and restore legal protection for unborn children. Some advocate a human life amendment, while others believe the Constitution under the 5th and 14th amendments already provides for legal protection for all human beings. The pro-life movement has long argued that Roe v. Wade could be overturned if the Supreme Court said an unborn child was a "person," which would then give it protection under the 14th Amendment of 1868 which says:

[indent]No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

[/indent]This is also unacceptable to Congressman Paul who claims the 14th amendment is part of "the imaginary Constitution." The 14th amendment was enacted three years after the Civil War and its major motivation was to stop southern states from discriminating against blacks. The equal protection clause meant there could not be one set of rules for whites and another set for blacks. This was used to strike down the separate but equal doctrine advocated by segregationists.

[b]The Libertarian Party Has Always Supported Abortion[/b]

Ron Paul was the 1988 Libertarian Party nominee for President. Their official position is "Government should be kept out of the matter of abortion." Once again, Congressman Paul is "pro-choice for states" on abortion. He believes individual states should be able to legalize abortion if they so choose. The Congressman does not believe pre-born babies have a God given right to their own lives which no individual state may ever violate.

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[HopefulBride]

[quote name='Maggie' timestamp='1306115932' post='2244665']
Let's face it, the Republican nominee is going to be Mitt Romney's hair. Cuz that's the best we got.

We should be saving our resources for 2016 - hopefully by then somebody not freaking incompetent will reach the national stage.
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You mean to tell me there is no real prospect to win against Obama?

Don't tell Hassy he doesn't stand a chance

Edited May 23, 2011 by HopefulBride

[Jaime]

I actually like Pawlenty. I had some dealings with him when he was with the state legislature. No pizazz but a smart guy.

I got mad last week during Meet the Press when Newt was on. Newt made the comment that more people were on foodstamps under Obama than any other president (which is true) and David Gregory accused him of being racist! what made me mad was the inference that african americans were the majority of foodstamp users. The reality is that whites use food stamps more.