Herman Cain 2012

[Era Might]

[quote name='The Shover Robot' timestamp='1306191652' post='2245092']
I think you're dead on. I'd put money on Michele Bachmann. Not my preferred candidate, but I'd still vote for her.
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As I see it the only way for the Republicans to win is to approach the election like they have nothing to lose. The odds are against you in trying to unseat an incumbent in any election, so you're not going to win by playing it safe with a candidate like Mitt Romney. The only way to win is for one of the young Republican contenders to really create the idea that they are the future, not only for the party but for the country. That's what Obama did. After four years, the Republicans have to hope that some of that Obama charm has worn off, and insert their own charming candidate.

Edited May 24, 2011 by Era Might

[Winchester]

[quote name='Skinzo' timestamp='1306209069' post='2245244']
Age matters? So age discrimination is OK with you?

S.
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Calm down, Francis.

Mitt Romney is a piece of croutons.

[dominicansoul]

I'm all for Winchester for Prez 2012

[Teen_Catholic]

I think either Tim Pawlenty or Mitt Romney will win the nomination. Too bad one's an apostate and one's a Mormon, but i would support (can't vote yet) either of them over obama in a milisecond.

[Luigi]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1306285814' post='2245555']
I'm all for Winchester for Prez 2012
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I'd vote for CatherineM... aw BLAST! Didn't she just 'come a Canadian?

Well, maybe we can change a citizenship law here & a native-born American law there, then CatherineM can run for president and Arnold can run as her vice - and I do mean [i]vice[/i].

[Winchester]

[quote name='Teen_Catholic' timestamp='1306291870' post='2245608']
I think either Tim Pawlenty or Mitt Romney will win the nomination. Too bad one's an apostate and one's a Mormon, but i would support (can't vote yet) either of them over obama in a milisecond.
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If Romney gets it, the only difference will be a cessation of punishment of the Gulf Coast for not licking Obama's boots.

[kujo]

[quote name='The Shover Robot' timestamp='1306191652' post='2245092']
I think you're dead on. I'd put money on Michele Bachmann. Not my preferred candidate, but I'd still vote for her.
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The problem is the damned Tea Party. Sensible conservatives like myself--you know, the ones that don't adopt the immature "all or nothing" mentality espoused by most in the far right-- want a change from Obama, but are unwilling to vote for the caricatures that slither out of whatever swamp Michelle Bachmann comes from. Thus, similar to 2008, the likely Republican candidate will have to spend most of their time and energy proving to the far-right that they are "Republican enough," forfeiting the so-called "middle ground" to Obama and the Democrats. In an election that is, in my mind, entirely-winnable, the GOP will be brought down by a protest-party that lacks any tangible or practicable policy prescriptions.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1306355948' post='2245925']that slither out of whatever swamp Michelle Bachmann comes from. [/quote]
stay classy, there, kujo.

what does that even mean? she's a snake? hello, welcome to politics. what don't you like about her? how about concrete examples?

(no, i'm not a defender of Bachmann. see my thread on politics [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=112957&st=0&p=2244631&fromsearch=1&#entry2244631"]here[/url].)

[kujo]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1306356690' post='2245932']
stay classy, there, kujo.

what does that even mean? she's a snake? hello, welcome to politics. what don't you like about her? how about concrete examples?

(no, i'm not a defender of Bachmann. see my thread on politics [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=112957&st=0&p=2244631&fromsearch=1&#entry2244631"]here[/url].)
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Not sure what creature she is, but she reminds me of that wildly incompetent female secretary of state in Florida during the 2000 election. She's slimy. I suppose no more so than any other politician...she just does a worse job at hiding it. At least Sarah Palin has the courtesy to be charismatic; Michelle Bachmann strikes me as an uptight, WASPy...well, we'll leave it there.

[kujo]

"Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn't even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas." -Rep. Michelle Bachmann, April, 2009

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNk--ZXoGVY[/media]

[Skinzo]

[quote name='Era Might' timestamp='1306272262' post='2245473']
He was a rising star in the Democratic party, regardless of whether or not his credentials matched his status. Four years before the election people saw him as a presidential contender for 2008. Herman Cain is not a rising anything. He's a nobody, politically speaking. He has one year to become a somebody. Obama was already a somebody four years before the election. McCain was a somebody. Hilary Clinton was a somebody. George Bush was a somebody. Al Gore was a somebody. Herman Cain? He has no chance.



Whether I think Herman Cain is too old is not the issue. I was simply pointing out that age IS a factor in an election. Image is a factor in elections, not just age. John McCain's age didn't help him against Obama. His age was not the deciding factor, but it was a factor.
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"People saw him as a presidential contender?" Yeah some like the Hollywood liberals did but he was way behind Hillary in the polls (yeah, those actually matter) Even in 2007 he trailed her by a great deal, over 25 points. And the fact is he never won a major state from her during the primaries. As I said before Obama has lowered the bar, so it's hard to rule anyone out. Rather than asserting that Cain is a "nobody" you might have done some research first. He is more well know than you seem to think' Let's turn the page over to a political analyst who says this today:
"What's especially interesting about Mr. Cain's standing is that he polls at 8 percent despite being familiar to only about one-third of Republican voters, according to [url="http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx"]supplementary Gallup data[/url]. Of those voters who are familiar with him, 24 percent have him as their first choice. That's the best figure for any candidate in the Republican field."
That's from this morning's New York Times. He may be trailing now, but definitely not a "nobody". And given the fact he has only just announced his performance is not that bad. But that's not just my opinion, you can read it in the New York Times.

[url="http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/26/the-simple-case-for-taking-herman-cain-seriously/"]http://fivethirtyeig...cain-seriously/[/url]

Now if we look at the Zogby poll of a couple of weeks ago we find this:
"Herman Cain trails only Chris Christie as the top choice among Republican primary voters in the race for the 2012 Presidential nomination. Mitt Romney ranks fourth, but voters see him as the most likely nominee by a wide margin over the rest of a 13-person field"


http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/zogby-gop-herman-cain/2011/05/10/id/395873

S.

Edited May 27, 2011 by Skinzo

[dUSt]

Man, I'm good.

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='The Shover Robot' timestamp='1306191652' post='2245092']
I think you're dead on. I'd put money on Michele Bachmann. Not my preferred candidate, but I'd still vote for her.
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now why would you do that?

[Winchester]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1318026008' post='2317685']


now why would you do that?
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Edited October 9, 2011 by Lil Red

[Mercy me]

I like Herman Cain. He is a person that has a long track record of coming in and fixing failing businesses. That is what we need in this country. He is a man with real accomplishments. He impresses me greatly.

My concern is his lack for political experience. That said Washington is full of experienced politicians who are taking us all down the sewer. I am starting to think that it might not be so bad to have fresh blood in there. But I am still not sure on that.