Herman Cain 2012

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[quote name='jkaands' timestamp='1306121018' post='2244729']
The question is:

Would Cain be running for the presidency, if he is, if he were white? Would anyone support him if he were white? Would anyone think he stood a chance if he were white?

He has[i] no [/i]experience. No degree in law or political science. He has never held political office. He has run big fast food companies that are helping kill our country. Does this recommend him? He's a social conservative, which people on this forum think is good. There are a lot of rich CEO [i]white [/i]social conservatives around--why not suggest them?

He's being put forward because he's conservative, Republican, presumably rich--and black. To counter the race factor. I think that this is a very cynical, racist ploy.
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I think you're uninformed. He's an intelligent man. He majored in math at an acadamically tough school. He's a sucessful buisnessman. He's engaging to listen too and he's be subbing in for conservative talk radio hosts for as long as I can remember. Before Obama was even the demoratic cannidate. Why not the white CEO's? I don't know, how many of them have name recognition with the far right from subbing for Neil Bortz and are great public speakers.

God forbid a black man could be a conservative or conservatives could support a black man for any other reason than a racial ploy.

Edited May 23, 2011 by Hasan

[Luigi]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1306121362' post='2244731']
I think you're uninformed. He's an intelligent man. He majored in math at an acadamically tough school. He's a sucessful buisnessman. He's engaging to listen too and he's be subbing in for conservative talk radio hosts for as long as I can remember. Before Obama was even the demoratic cannidate. Why not the white CEO's? I don't know, how many of them have name recognition with the far right from subbing for Neil Bortz and are great public speakers.

God forbid a black man could be a conservative or conservatives could support a black man for any other reason than a racial ploy.
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Agreed. Additionally, most African-Americans are socially conservative, but they consistently vote for the brand name Democrats - due, IMHO, to the tradition of Roosevelt's coalition and to the manipulation of African-American leadership by leaders of the Democratic party. If Cain can get his message out there, he could draw socially conservative African-Americans to the Republicans, thus strengthening the pro-life coalition, making national campaigns more competitive, and perhaps affecting a host of other social issues.

[Groo the Wanderer]

[Skinzo]

Obama's experience was pretty limited too. Only two years in the Senate, no significant experience before that which would qualify him for the presidency. One could just as easily describe his candidacy as cynical and racist. Ask the same question. Would Obama have had a chance if he was white? Obama has lowered the bar with respect to qualifications and experience. If someone of as limited breadth and experience can be elected, why not others?

S.

Edited May 23, 2011 by Skinzo

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[quote name='Skinzo' timestamp='1306149066' post='2244810']
Obama's experience was pretty limited too. Only two years in the Senate, no significant experience before that which would qualify him for the presidency. One could just as easily describe his candidacy as cynical and racist. Ask the same question. Would Obama have had a chance if he was white? Obama has lowered the bar with respect to qualifications and experience. If someone of as limited breadth and experience can be elected, why not others?

S.
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You forgot his full term in the State Senate.

[Skinzo]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1306150728' post='2244813']
You forgot his full term in the State Senate.
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Actually no. I just didn't bother with it because I don't think it's significant preparation for the presidency. Especially when you are a state senator who could point to very little in the way of significant legislation outside of his votes for infanticide.

S.

[Era Might]

[quote name='Skinzo' timestamp='1306149066' post='2244810']If someone of as limited breadth and experience can be elected, why not others?
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President Obama did not just come out of nowhere with his candidacy...he already had momentum from that speech he gave at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. Herman Cain? Who's ever heard of him? He has no chance to win. He'll be like General Wesley Clark or similar candidates who had no chance.

[Skinzo]

[quote name='Era Might' timestamp='1306156819' post='2244838']
President Obama did not just come out of nowhere with his candidacy...he already had momentum from that speech he gave at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. Herman Cain? Who's ever heard of him? He has no chance to win. He'll be like General Wesley Clark or similar candidates who had no chance.
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One speech does not a president make.

S.

[dUSt]

[quote name='Era Might' timestamp='1306156819' post='2244838']
Herman Cain? Who's ever heard of him? He has no chance to win.
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Well, considering the crowd he drew dwarfed the crowd Tim Pawlenty drew when he announced, I'm guessing a lot.

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[Era Might]

[quote name='Skinzo' timestamp='1306184961' post='2245032']
One speech does not a president make.

S.
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Of course not. Obama still had to go through the process. But he was already a young, rising "star" 4 years before the election.

My guess is one of the young Republican "stars" will win the Republican candidacy. You aren't going to defeat President Obama with Herman Cain (who's almost 70 years old).

[The Shover Robot]

[quote name='Era Might' timestamp='1306191201' post='2245086']
My guess is one of the young Republican "stars" will win the Republican candidacy.
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I think you're dead on. I'd put money on Michele Bachmann. Not my preferred candidate, but I'd still vote for her.

[Skinzo]

[quote name='Era Might' timestamp='1306191201' post='2245086']
Of course not. Obama still had to go through the process. But he was already a young, rising "star" 4 years before the election.

My guess is one of the young Republican "stars" will win the Republican candidacy. You aren't going to defeat President Obama with Herman Cain (who's almost 70 years old).
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The "rising star" was only the junior Senator from Illinois with zero legislative accomplishments. Age matters? So age discrimination is OK with you?

S.

[Lil Red]

what process? lol. that's a joke.

[Winchester]

[quote name='jkaands' timestamp='1306121018' post='2244729']
No degree in law or political science.
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Neither of these is necessary, or, judging from history, even desirable.

[Era Might]

[quote name='Skinzo' timestamp='1306209069' post='2245244']
The "rising star" was only the junior Senator from Illinois with zero legislative accomplishments.[/quote]
He was a rising star in the Democratic party, regardless of whether or not his credentials matched his status. Four years before the election people saw him as a presidential contender for 2008. Herman Cain is not a rising anything. He's a nobody, politically speaking. He has one year to become a somebody. Obama was already a somebody four years before the election. McCain was a somebody. Hilary Clinton was a somebody. George Bush was a somebody. Al Gore was a somebody. Herman Cain? He has no chance.


[quote name='Skinzo' timestamp='1306209069' post='2245244']Age matters? So age discrimination is OK with you?
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Whether I think Herman Cain is too old is not the issue. I was simply pointing out that age IS a factor in an election. Image is a factor in elections, not just age. John McCain's age didn't help him against Obama. His age was not the deciding factor, but it was a factor.

Edited May 24, 2011 by Era Might