Is God A God Of War Or Peace?

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So once the world ends and people are either in hell or heaven, will at some point the peace end in heaven and there will be war again ? Or will there be peace forever ? Or don't we really know for sure ?

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So once the world ends and people are either in hell or heaven, will at some point the peace end in heaven and there will be war again ? Or will there be peace forever ? Or don't we really know for sure ?
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What does it matter? We'll be with Jesus and He will take care of everything. that's good enough for me.

[faithcecelia]

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"I AM who I AM."

I think God is who He is.
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I was going to say this. God Is. i think a lot of what we question, or wonder about, or try to categorise, and even what Christ himself said when he described himslef as 'the way, the truth and the life' and 'the good shepherd' and 'the light of the world' etc were all just to help us get around the fact that He Is.

[Mark of the Cross]

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So once the world ends and people are either in hell or heaven, will at some point the peace end in heaven and there will be war again ? Or will there be peace forever ? Or don't we really know for sure ?
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It's a definite maybe!

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I was going to say this. God Is. i think a lot of what we question, or wonder about, or try to categorise, and even what Christ himself said when he described himslef as 'the way, the truth and the life' and 'the good shepherd' and 'the light of the world' etc were all just to help us get around the fact that He Is.
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When you love someone you wish to know all there is to know about them. I think that's why we wonder and speculate but it doesn't really matter if we know or not. Just like a child that asks how high is the sky.

Edited May 18, 2011 by Mark of the Cross

[BigJon16]

[quote name='faithcecelia' timestamp='1305703277' post='2243120']
I was going to say this. God Is. i think a lot of what we question, or wonder about, or try to categorise, and even what Christ himself said when he described himslef as 'the way, the truth and the life' and 'the good shepherd' and 'the light of the world' etc were all just to help us get around the fact that He Is.
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That's a very good point, but I find that it doesnt fly so well when I'm trying to explain that to someone who doesnt believe in God.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

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I could go with this, or I could go with saying that God is neither a God of war or peace, but rather a God of Justice.
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I am also told one can not have mercy without justice or visa versa, if there is a just war doctrine would god also have his own just war doctrine on what warrents a destroying,like in egypt when he finally stepped in and answered the prayers(weepings and wailings) of the israelites, god only knows how long they where weeping and wailing for before he stepped in, and said enough, and allowed the egyptians to be punished for there transgressions and idol worship.
God bless you and you and you and you and you.
P.S. sorry destroying is possibly not the right word,and to add the egyptians where warned muliple times and kept going back on there dealing with moses,hence why god is patiant kind and slow to anger,though even in this pauline letter he does not say god does not anger and another example is jesus in the temple and the buyers and sellers,but is god a god of war i would have to say no,unless somone is trying to delibrately exterminate or opress violently another.Again moses clubbed that slave driver on the noggin whom was beating a slave to death,still is god a god of war,nope.

Edited May 25, 2011 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

ARG, now i have opened up with moses and the slave driver the death penalty right or wrong? Personaly i believe each person should live the extent of there natural life, bar accident or misfortune,god desires to redeem all souls and we should not take away his right to this if and when where possible,and anyhow Moses was a heat of the momment type thing,defend the life of another or walk on by.
God bless you and you and you and you, oh and you too

[HopefulBride]

He's a God of Justice and Mercy.

[b]ETA[/b]: I see someone answered that already.....I second it then.

Edited May 25, 2011 by HopefulBride

[Santa Cruz]

Here the Holy Father addresses this topic beautifully. Pasted below from Zenit News.

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[size="3"][b]Pontiff Warns of Temptation to Make God "Comprehensible"[/b]

[b]Says Moses' Prayer Shows True Divine Nature[/b]
VATICAN CITY, JUNE 1, 2011 ([url="http://www.zenit.org/"]Zenit.org[/url]).- Benedict XVI says there is a constant temptation in the spiritual life: to try to construct a "comprehensible god" that corresponds to one's own plans and projects.

The Pope made this reflection today as he continued with his general audience catecheses on prayer. Today, he turned to Moses, saying he "carried out his role as mediator between God and Israel ... I would say especially, by praying."

The Pontiff looked at at Moses' prayer, as narrated in Exodus 32.

This chapter relates how Moses had gone up the mountain to receive the Ten Commandments when the Chosen People below make their search for a "comprehensible god" who conforms to their plans, and ask Aaron to build the golden calf.

God reveals to Moses what the people are doing and sends him back down the mountain.

"Now therefore let me alone," he tells Moses, "that my wrath may burn hot against them and I may consume them: but of you I will make a great nation."

In recounting Moses' response, Benedict XVI paralleled it with his [url="http://www.zenit.org/article-32610?l=english"]teaching[/url] on Abraham from two weeks ago.

"In reality," the Pope explained, "this 'let me alone, that my wrath may burn hot' is said precisely so that Moses might intervene and ask him not to do it, thereby revealing that God's desire is always to save. As with the two cities in the time of Abraham, punishment and destruction, in which the wrath of God is expressed as the rejection of evil, point to the gravity of the sin committed; at the same time, the intercessor's request is meant to manifest the Lord's will to forgive.

"This is the salvation of God, which involves mercy but together with it also exposes the truth of the sin, of the evil that is present, so that the sinner, aware of and rejecting his own sin, can allow himself to be forgiven and transformed by God."

Benedict XVI observed how "Moses' prayer is wholly centered on the Lord's fidelity and grace."

The Pope recounted how Moses reminds God that he cannot allow the work of salvation to be left unfinished: "[God] is the good Lord who saves, the guarantor of life, he is the God of mercy and forgiveness, of liberation from sin which kills. ... If his elect were to perish, even if they are guilty, he might appear incapable of conquering sin. And this is unacceptable."

"Moses had a concrete experience of the God of salvation; he was sent as a mediator of divine liberation, and now, with his prayer, he voices a twofold concern -- concern for the fate of his people, but alongside this, concern for the honor that is owed to the Lord, for the truth of his name," the Holy Father reflected. "The intercessor, in fact, wants the people of Israel to be saved, because they are the flock that has been entrusted to him, but also because, in that salvation, the true reality of God is manifested. Love of the brothers and love of God interpenetrate in intercessory prayer; they are inseparable. Moses, the intercessor, is a man stretched between two loves, which in prayer overlap into but one desire for good."

Transformation

When Moses will return again to the mountain after he has destroyed the golden calf, he tells the Lord, "But now, if thou wilt forgive their sin -- and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written."

The Bishop of Rome noted how the fathers of the Church saw here a prefiguring of Christ, who "with his pierced heart," is, in fact, "blotted out." "His intercession is not only solidarity, but identification with us; he carries us all in his body. And in this way his whole existence as man and as Son is a cry to the heart of God, it is forgiveness, but a forgiveness that transforms and renews."

"I think we should meditate upon this reality," the Pope invited. "Christ stands before the face of God and prays for me. His prayer on the cross is contemporaneous with all men, contemporaneous with me: He prays for me, he suffered and suffers for me, he identified himself with me by taking on our human body and soul. And he invites us to enter into his identity, making ourselves one body, one spirit with him, because from the heights of the cross he brought not new laws, tablets of stone, but rather he brought himself, his body and his blood, as the new covenant. He thereby makes us one blood with him, one body with him, identified with him."

The Holy Father reflected that Christ "invites us to enter into this identification, to be united with him in our desire to be one body, one spirit with him. Let us pray to the Lord that this identification may transform us, may renew us, since forgiveness is renewal -- it is transformation."

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Amen.

[Adrestia]

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That's a very good point, but I find that it doesnt fly so well when I'm trying to explain that to someone who doesnt believe in God.
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So, let me see if I understand this situation...

Did someone attempt to use a verse from scripture (one that appears to contradict a verse that you posted) to disprove God' existence?

Are you attempting to explain scripture to an atheist?