On Government-Coerced "charity"

[Winchester]

The illustrations regarding Capitalism are incorrect.

Since we haven't a free market, the products we receive are not due to capitalism so any inferiority cannot be attributed to capitalism, which requires a free market.

[ThePenciledOne]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1305319908' post='2241006']
The illustrations regarding Capitalism are incorrect.

Since we haven't a free market, the products we receive are not due to capitalism so any inferiority cannot be attributed to capitalism, which requires a free market.
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Tell Society to re-check their definitions.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' timestamp='1305311162' post='2240939']
Well Protestants reject the concept of merit, so being concerned that it is not as meritorius is definantly not a Protestant way of thinking. So much so it is hard for me to understand the charge.

Since, according to protestant theologians, good works are not important to individual salvation, government social programs, and support of them politically would certianly fit the requirments that alms be given, but Catholics reject that and, in addition, have a concept of merit, individual good works are important in Catholicism. I think it is quite the opposite, the other point of view is the Protestant one.
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I agree with all of this. I was rather surprised to be called "protestant", particularly giving my views (that they, granted, would not know based on just a few posts) on the topic.

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1305302806' post='2240885']
[img]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/NoonienSoong_2006/phatmass/socialism_vs_capitalism.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/NoonienSoong_2006/phatmass/capitalism3.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/NoonienSoong_2006/phatmass/The_Faces_of_Capitalism_by_Pit_Kuru.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/NoonienSoong_2006/phatmass/capitalism2.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/NoonienSoong_2006/phatmass/soc.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/NoonienSoong_2006/phatmass/wes2.jpg[/img]
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Unfortunately these are wrong dipictions of true capitalism but rather keynesian economics that the republican and democratic parties subscribe. If true capitalism was in place, businesses that have no business being in business would be out of business and the choices would be plentiful because the government wouldn't shut down businesses that provide competition to the big corporations.

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1305319908' post='2241006']
The illustrations regarding Capitalism are incorrect.

Since we haven't a free market, the products we receive are not due to capitalism so any inferiority cannot be attributed to capitalism, which requires a free market.
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Completely true. This system is not capitalism. This system currently supports major corporations that often should be out of business. IE: AIG provides a horrible piece of insurance, yet they get bailed out after they failed as a corporation, and new corporations that provide competition to them, are prevented from succeeding due to all the red tape.

[Laudate_Dominum]

To those who responded to my pic spams: don't worry, they're just for teh lulz, they aren't supposed to be real criticisms afaik.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1305273084' post='2240767']
Does anyone have any sort of document on why this is not ideal from a Catholic viewpoint?
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There is such a document called "The Compendium on the Social Doctrine". It's an interesting read, in particular: “Subsidiarity is among the most constant and characteristic directives of the Church’s social doctrine. The principle of subsidiarity is OPPOSED TO CERTAIN FORMS of centralization, bureaucratization, and WELFARE ASSISTANCE and to the unjustified and excessive presence of the State in public mechanisms. By intervening directly and DEPRIVING SOCIETY OF ITS RESPONSIBILITY, the Social Assistance State leads to a loss of human energies and an inordinate increase of public agencies, which are dominated more by bureaucratic ways of thinking than by concern for serving their clients, and which are accompanied by an enormous increase in spending. An absent or insufficient recognition of private initiative — in economic matters also — and the failure to recognize its public function, contribute to the undermining of the principle of subsidiarity, as monopolies do as well.”

Edited May 13, 2011 by thessalonian

[Don John of Austria]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1305321454' post='2241018']
I agree with all of this. I was rather surprised to be called "protestant", particularly giving my views (that they, granted, would not know based on just a few posts) on the topic.
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It is really a charge which is absurd, so one must assume that it is simply a tactic to through you off.