southern california guy Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 [quote name='MaterMisericordiae' timestamp='1305329446' post='2241072'] That is incorrect, from a Catholic point of view, which your profile says you don't hold. Even non-Catholics believe that porn is very damaging, especially to the family unit. I've seen it personally damage lives from people getting addicted to it. It is not something to fool around with. [/quote] I sort of agree with his point. We have only so much time and it's a good idea to concentrate on things that you'll definitely succeed with. Of course I have participated in pro-life stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlySunshine Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 (edited) nevermind... Edited May 14, 2011 by MaterMisericordiae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParadiseFound Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1305329073' post='2241070'] and if they aren't adults? or consenting? [/quote] Then it's a different situation, and not fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithLuin Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 In my opinion, the entire porn industry is 'not fine.' Sure, your ability to stamp out something like that entirely is limited. But do we have to bombard our entire society with that all the time? You have to actively avoid porn on the internet...if you don't put the effort in, you [u]will[/u] see it. Now, granted, the chances of you stumbling upon a full blown hardcore porn movie by accident...and then accidentally watching it...are pretty low. But with so much smut there, it's really, really easy for people to get drawn in. We will always have prostitutes among us. Does that mean we should make it legal and condone/encourage prostitution in our communities? Or is it still okay for police to bust that? Crime rates seldom go to zero, and if/when they do, it's not because there's a law against that particular crime. They go down because no one wants/chooses to do that anymore. So...you need a conversion of heart to achieve something like that. Getting the word out that porn is wrong is part of the method of waking up people's hearts. If no one ever says anything, it's easy to get lulled into thinking there's no harm there..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted May 14, 2011 Author Share Posted May 14, 2011 [quote name='ParadiseFound' timestamp='1305374309' post='2241313'] Then it's a different situation, and not fine [/quote] and you trust the 'industry' to police itself? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1305329073' post='2241070'] and if they aren't adults? or consenting? [/quote] then it is pretty obviously wrong. and everyone fights against those anyways. [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1305388236' post='2241350'] and you trust the 'industry' to police itself? LOL [/quote] you do know that none of the "industry" guys in pornography would film or distribute child pornography, or film a real rape? in fact if you were to look a bit deeper im sure you would find that the "industry" is pretty well self policing in this manner. as long as you are talking about the industry of porn, the dudes who make child porn are on their own. as horrible as CP is, you cant blame the porn industry for its existence. as well blame Hollywood when someone films a "snuff" film.(a video of someone being murdered, for the purposes of capturing it on video. btw, this is rarer than CP) sure the medium is the same but guys like spielberg have nothing to do with it. just saying, you can have all the problems with the porno industry you want(and i agree with some of them), but you really cant point to child porn and blame that on the regular guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 [quote name='ParadiseFound' timestamp='1305323810' post='2241029'] Well, have fun with that. I'll be busy doing things which are worthwhile. I mean, why can't you just leave people alone? If they want to watch two consenting adults perform sexual intercourse then I say let them. There's no negative impact on you. [/quote] There's an extreme negative impact on marriages causing damage to the family, which society[which you and I live] is negatively impacted. So yes, there is a negative impact on me, you, everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithLuin Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 And for the consent, are you suggesting the regular industry guys don't start out getting girls for a modeling job, and then start getting them naked, and then give them drugs and shoot a softcore (where they are not paid to actually have sex), and eventually do a porn film? Coercion might not be flat-out rape, but you'd be a bit naive to think that everything you see in a porn film is completely consensual. It's really, really degrading what they do to some of those women.... ...and yeah, a lot of the girls who do find themselves caught up in that kind of stuff were abused and raped prior to their involvement in pornography. I'm not willing to give the porn industry too much credit. I don't find it okay. Paying money to watch people getting paid to have sex is all kinds of disturbing and messed up. It's a travesty. And it's worth fighting against, if only for the sake of those whose lives are so damaged by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlySunshine Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 (edited) [quote name='MithLuin' timestamp='1305393156' post='2241383'] And for the consent, are you suggesting the regular industry guys don't start out getting girls for a modeling job, and then start getting them naked, and then give them drugs and shoot a softcore (where they are not paid to actually have sex), and eventually do a porn film? Coercion might not be flat-out rape, but you'd be a bit naive to think that everything you see in a porn film is completely consensual. It's really, really degrading what they do to some of those women.... ...and yeah, a lot of the girls who do find themselves caught up in that kind of stuff were abused and raped prior to their involvement in pornography. I'm not willing to give the porn industry too much credit. I don't find it okay. Paying money to watch people getting paid to have sex is all kinds of disturbing and messed up. It's a travesty. And it's worth fighting against, if only for the sake of those whose lives are so damaged by it. [/quote] I totally agree. If anyone here thinks porn is OK, you ought to read the horror stories of those who were in the industry and converted to Christianity. There is a group called the Pink Cross Foundation started by Shelley Lubben (former porn actress), who is fighting hard to get women out of the industry and get them help. There are stories of women's insides being torn up from the acts they perform, and taking enemas and laxatives just to go to the bathroom. It is truly messed up. Women and men are not meant to be sex slaves sold for profit. Each and every human is made in God's image and should respected. http://www.thepinkcross.org/ http://www.thepinkcross.org/pinkcross-articles/september-2008/the-truth-behind-fantasy-porn Edited May 14, 2011 by MaterMisericordiae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParadiseFound Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 [quote name='MithLuin' timestamp='1305376996' post='2241318'] We will always have prostitutes among us. Does that mean we should make it legal and condone/encourage prostitution in our communities? Or is it still okay for police to bust that? [/quote] I live in a country where prostitution is legal, just so you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southern california guy Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 [quote name='MithLuin' timestamp='1305393156' post='2241383'] And for the consent, are you suggesting the regular industry guys don't start out getting girls for a modeling job, and then start getting them naked, and then give them drugs and shoot a softcore (where they are not paid to actually have sex), and eventually do a porn film? Coercion might not be flat-out rape, but you'd be a bit naive to think that everything you see in a porn film is completely consensual. It's really, really degrading what they do to some of those women.... [/quote] I'm not trying to condone it but from what I've heard that's not the way it's usually done. I discussed the subject with some ex-Mormons (Porn is extremely popular with the Mormons probably because of the controlling aspect of it.) and I was told that there are online model databases that porn "scouts" like to go through, and models agents often suggest porn work to them if they've been out of work for a while. The modeling industry isn't necessarily all that wonderful.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southern california guy Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 [quote name='ParadiseFound' timestamp='1305409703' post='2241540'] I live in a country where prostitution is legal, just so you know. [/quote] It's legal in the US in states like Nevada. The oldest legal brothel in the US is "Donna's" in Wells Nevada. It services the Mormons from Salt Lake City Utah (The closest major city). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_nine Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 And I suppose adults getting off to gang rape is ok too because it's all acting and there couldn't possibly be any effects in the real world. It's all consensual, no worries *eye roll* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amppax Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 [quote name='Ice_nine' timestamp='1305424681' post='2241623'] And I suppose adults getting off to gang rape is ok too because it's all acting and there couldn't possibly be any effects in the real world. It's all consensual, no worries *eye roll* [/quote] [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 is that really so different from watching movies about incredible violence? sure i love watching a guy evade police through a crowded downtown, firing a submachine gun wildly at them and pedestrians, but that doesnt mean i plan on doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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