New Instruction On Summorum Pontificum

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1305298034' post='2240846']
yes, they are willing to come, but from what i understand (because of what's happened within my own diocese), they will not come into a diocese unless they have the support of the local bishop.
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They'd have to get approval from the bishop, yes.
What I'm saying though is that it's really not an issue of FSSP or not FSSP. The issue is whether or not the Traditional Latin Mass is celebrated. If a diocesan priest is not qualified, the bishop is obligated to go outside his diocese to find someone who is. For the faithful, it's not a big deal one way or another. We have a right (and a responsibility) to participate in the Traditional Latin Mass, and the bishop then has the responsibility to make it happen.
The charism of the FSSP is to make the old Mass available, so their feelings won't be hurt if the Mass is available without them.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1305298266' post='2240851']
They'd have to get approval from the bishop, yes.
What I'm saying though is that it's really not an issue of FSSP or not FSSP. The issue is whether or not the Traditional Latin Mass is celebrated. If a diocesan priest is not qualified, the bishop is obligated to go outside his diocese to find someone who is. For the faithful, it's not a big deal one way or another. We have a right (and a responsibility) to participate in the Traditional Latin Mass, and the bishop then has the responsibility to make it happen.
The charism of the FSSP is to make the old Mass available, so their feelings won't be hurt if the Mass is available without them.
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oh, yeah, i don't disagree with you there.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1305298869' post='2240857']
oh, yeah, i don't disagree with you there.
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[kafka]

[quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1305295082' post='2240830']
Yes, most people will always flock towards the easiest road. That does not mean that is what is best for them.
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what?

attending a Latin Mass is easy. Living a moral life and a living in a good state of conscience in a severely evil and complex world is difficult. Fighting culture wars is easy, learning the essentials from Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scritpure and Sacred Magisterium, remaining faithful and true to them, even the ones we dont like is difficult. Reading Summorum Pontificum and yapping away about it is easy, reading encyclicals like Veritatis Splendor, living the realities, and explaining them to others is difficult. Following Jesus on the straight and narrow and becoming like a child: difficult. Reading Catholic blogs like Fr. Z barking about God knows what is easy. I went to a Latin Mass for five straight years and it was easy.

I am becoming like a child and it is difficult.

[Nihil Obstat]

[CatherineM]

[quote name='Skinzo' timestamp='1305292430' post='2240815']
Well don't count on Latin being in the seminaries. Canon 249 of the 1983 code actually requires that it be taught in the seminaries. . But the American bishops' norms for seminaries only state that it is "strongly recommended". And the Vatican approved that language a while ago.

S.
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It's not taught in our seminary. We train most of the priests from western Canada, and many foreign seminarians as well. One of my classmates who is a seminarian from Manitoba told me that his bishop told them that he didn't want them to learn Latin specifically because that would make it impossible to offer the Latin mass. The only person that I know speaks Latin in my class is an older seminarian who has a degree in Latin. Whenever something in Latin comes up in class, everyone looks at him for a translation.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1305300924' post='2240871']
It's not taught in our seminary. We train most of the priests from western Canada, and many foreign seminarians as well. One of my classmates who is a seminarian from Manitoba told me that his bishop told them that he didn't want them to learn Latin specifically because that would make it impossible to offer the Latin mass. The only person that I know speaks Latin in my class is an older seminarian who has a degree in Latin. Whenever something in Latin comes up in class, everyone looks at him for a translation.
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that is sad.

but priests can learn the Latin on their own for the EF.

[CatherineM]

[quote name='kafka' timestamp='1305295747' post='2240832']
iawtc.

Why cant we all just read Veritatis Splendor again instead of this focusing on this?
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I just re-read it a couple of days ago. It was on my Moral Theology final exam.

[Laudate_Dominum]

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[kafka]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1305300741' post='2240870']

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[quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1305301109' post='2240874']
I just re-read it a couple of days ago. It was on my Moral Theology final exam.
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amesome!!!

[dUSt]

[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1305295887' post='2240833']
I think if the supply was better well known, the demand would increase a lot.
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I think you may have missed my point. Maybe not.

I wasn't taking a position, I was simply pointing out the "reason" why the EF form may not be more widely available. I was explaining that my diocese does have the EF form available, but it is very poorly attended.

The concept of supply and demand is that if the demand is there, the supply will increase.

So, all I'm saying is if you want to have more EF masses available, then make sure the ones that [b]are[/b] available are so overcrowded that they are forced to provide more. I mean, why would a bishop make more EF masses available if only a handful of people attend the one that's already there?

[MIKolbe]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1305306071' post='2240899']
I think you may have missed my point. Maybe not.

I wasn't taking a position, I was simply pointing out the "reason" why the EF form may not be more widely available. I was explaining that my diocese does have the EF form available, but it is very poorly attended.

The concept of supply and demand is that if the demand is there, the supply will increase.

So, all I'm saying is if you want to have more EF masses available, then make sure the ones that [b]are[/b] available are so overcrowded that they are forced to provide more. I mean, why would a bishop make more EF masses available if only a handful of people attend the one that's already there?
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I think I may have missed 1/2 your point, of which I take under advisement.

That said, I would counter by saying it might be easier to fill up the pews if the only EF Mass was not 50 miles away from John Q. Parishoner. It might be easier to fill up the pews (and experience an increase in demand) if the supply wasn't so 'hidden' (for lack of a better word). Perhaps John Q. Parishoner will drive 30 miles out of his was to celebrate an EF, but 50 miles just makes it unfeasable for him.

But I see what you are saying, too.....

[dUSt]

[quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1305295082' post='2240830']
Yes, most people will always flock towards the easiest road. That does not mean that is what is best for them.
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Not necessarily. The confession lines at my parish are usually about a 45 minute wait. Our priests give real penances. We have 8am-10pm adoration every day, which requires a lot of dedicated volunteers. Parking is limited, and 1/2 the people park about 5 blocks away to attend mass.

On the other hand, the parish down the street never has a line for confession. The priest always gives a very easy penance. Not a lot of volunteer commitments. Parking is ample. It's the easy road.

My parish always has at least 30-40 people standing up in mass because of overcrowding. The parish down the street fills up 1/2 the church.

So, people don't [b]always[/b] flock toward the easy road.

[dUSt]

[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1305306432' post='2240901']
I think I may have missed 1/2 your point, of which I take under advisement.

That said, I would counter by saying it might be easier to fill up the pews if the only EF Mass was not 50 miles away from John Q. Parishoner. It might be easier to fill up the pews (and experience an increase in demand) if the supply wasn't so 'hidden' (for lack of a better word). Perhaps John Q. Parishoner will drive 30 miles out of his was to celebrate an EF, but 50 miles just makes it unfeasable for him.

But I see what you are saying, too.....
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Well, the EF mass in question is within about 10 miles of maybe 10 different parishes. Maybe it's slightly less convenient, sure, but we're in Texas. People drive far, and are use to it.

[MIKolbe]

you neglected to mention the [i]Texan variant[/i].

my argument is invalid.