If You Found Out That Osama Bin Laden Was In Heaven Today

[Tearz of Wine]

I prayed that God show mercy on him, but also that he be just.

If bin Laden goes to heaven I will have even more faith in God's grace and know that there is very well hope for me and everyone else.

Although i'm quite sure a man like that, if he never repented, has a spot in hell. I mean God made hell for a reason.

Edited May 2, 2011 by Tearz of Wine

[Selah]

Edit...never mind :D

Edited May 3, 2011 by Selah

[Era Might]

Eric Clapton unavailable for comment.

[XIX]

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1304372123' post='2235963']
True.


So, should I start praying for the heavenly intercession of Saint Adolf Hitler?


It's one thing to pray for the souls of all men, but to pray for the intersession of men who publicly lived lives of great evil while on earth, with no apparent repentance, seems to me extremely presumptuous at best.
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Certainly not. As I understand it, we should only pray for a saint's intercession by name who has been canonized. Even asking for JP2's intercession was not a safe move until he was beatified.

We can always pray for the intercession of all angels & saints (all you holy angels and saints, pray for us.)

I am sure that we will be surprised by some people who are in heaven--and some who are missing, as well.

Edited May 3, 2011 by XIX

[kafka]

this is foolish. He is not in Heaven. From a practical point of view a very wicked human person cannot repent of innummerable severe actual mortal sins committed over a long span of space and time within a few moments of death. This is not how God's grace works on human person bound to space and time.

He showed no signs of repentance in all the bold public videos, messages, letters he sent out across the world the past few years.

[thessalonian]

If he had repented I would praise God for his great mercy. If Bin Lauden is in there that ups much chances.

That being said I don't find his chances to be good. But like I said in the other thread, it's not up to us to judge the man we just needed to arrange the meeting with the one to whom it is up to.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='kafka' timestamp='1304387912' post='2236086']
this is foolish. He is not in Heaven. From a practical point of view a very wicked human person cannot repent of innummerable severe actual mortal sins committed over a long span of space and time within a few moments of death. This is not how God's grace works on human person bound to space and time.

He showed no signs of repentance in all the bold public videos, messages, letters he sent out across the world the past few years.
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Looking at the Apostle Paul and his quick turnaround I disagree that it is ridiculous. Paul was the worst of sinners who participated in the murder of Christians including st. Stephen. Granted it is unlikely but not ridiculous.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff)' timestamp='1304373603' post='2235971']
I never said he would be canonized.

Also if its true that Oscar Wilde was baptized on his death bed, why would it be reasonable to at least hope for purgatory?



[b][url=""]1263[/url][/b] By Baptism [i]all sins[/i] are forgiven, original sin and all personal sins, as well as all punishment for sin.[sup]66[/sup] In those who have been reborn nothing remains that would impede their entry into the Kingdom of God, neither Adam's sin, nor personal sin, nor the consequences of sin, the gravest of which is separation from God.

[b][url=""]1265[/url][/b] Baptism not only purifies from all sins, but also makes the neophyte "a new creature," an adopted son of God, who has become a "partaker of the divine nature,"[sup]69[/sup] member of Christ and co-heir with him,[sup]70[/sup] and a temple of the Holy Spirit.[sup]71[/sup]


The Church is pretty clear about the sacrament. When a person is baptized, their sins are all forgiven.
[/quote]
I didn't think you said he would be canonized.

I was hedging my best on Oscar Wilde. Didn't think longer than about one minute on it.

[Jaime]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1304395124' post='2236204']
I didn't think you said he would be canonized.

I was hedging my best on Oscar Wilde. Didn't think longer than about one minute on it.
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Well that's fair

[cmotherofpirl]

I think I would be quite pleased that even the most wretched and evil among us could repent and see the glory of God.

[dominicansoul]

i think i would be too engrossed in the Beatific Vision that I wouldn't even notice him there....

[MithLuin]

[quote name='jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff)' timestamp='1304349049' post='2235762']
me too

I was also happy to see the Vatican come out against rooting for the Yankees
[/quote]

You do know Pope Benedict said mass in Yankee Stadium when he visited the US a couple of years ago, right?

[thessalonian]

[quote name='MithLuin' timestamp='1304428424' post='2236302']
You do know Pope Benedict said mass in Yankee Stadium when he visited the US a couple of years ago, right?
[/quote]


Yankees are evil. But I guess we are supposed to go out to the most wretched and evangelize. SO ya, yankee stadium is where he would go.

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1304348838' post='2235760']
I wouldn't have a problem with it. It's up to God and not me. I'm glad that the Vatican came out today saying that we shouldn't be celebrating his death.
[/quote]

Me too..as a non-catholic, this is something that made me smile.

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1304362340' post='2235846']
He could not be canonized because he did not display heroic virtue. I'm sure there are many in heaven that we would not expect. For instance, I read that Oscar Wilde was baptized on his deathbed, and presumably also made a confession. He may well be in heaven, and it is quite reasonable at least to hope for Purgatory- but he cannot be canonized because he did not display heroic virtue in most of his life. His canonization would be a scandal.
The Church canonizes saints as many ways for us, so that we may see their example and imitate it. Augustine led a terrible life early on, but he repented and spent many many years making amends; that was his heroic virtue. Oscar Wilde may very well have done the same (we can't know), but he did not. Most of his life was spent in sin, and only very briefly at the end did he return.
[/quote]

Bin Laden has as much chance as John Gotti did. John Gotti wasn't allowed to have a Mass of Christian Burial [as was said by the Roman Catholic Diocese of Brooklynn] because his actions on this earth were so vicious and evil in nature.

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1304396713' post='2236216']
I think I would be quite pleased that even the most wretched and evil among us could repent and see the glory of God.
[/quote]

I would too be pleased but given Bin Laden's final hour as we understand it, it's doubtful for him.

[Ash Wednesday]

I would just be all the more in awe of God's mercy.