Bin Laden Dead!

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Watch what India does with this news.

[Laudate_Dominum]

I'm kinda disappointed that he wasn't apprehended alive. He doesn't even seem like a real person to me, it would have been interesting, and of historical value, to have seen him on trial and maybe interviewed in prison and all that. Who knows what things he might have said.

[Nihil Obstat]

I was inspired to write about this today.
[url="http://irenaeusgsaintonge.blogspot.com/2011/05/if-youre-pro-life-you-must-pray-for.html"]Pro-Lifers Must Pray for the Soul of Bin Laden[/url]

If You're Pro-Life, You Must Pray For Osama bin Laden
The breaking news this evening is that Osama bin Laden has been confirmed killed by the U.S. military. While emotions are running high, I will propose this:
It is the moral obligation of all who are truly pro-life to pray that God has mercy on his soul.
Secondly, I propose that to desire the damnation of bin Laden is just as evil, if not worse than the murder of innocents.

[img]http://blog.407attorneys.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Scales_of_justice21.jpg[/img]

Our God desires the salvation of all. We know this from Scripture and Tradition. God desires to save bin Laden as much as any other person. By a miracle, he may have repented of his sins before his death, and our prayers may contribute to that. God is outside of time, and therefore when He receives our prayers, neither are our prayers subject to temporal constraints. To pray now may have saved Osama last week (or whenever it was that he was killed).
With his death, he stood before God in judgement. In that moment that Christ looked upon him, he would have seen in brutal clarity the magnitude of his sins. He is judged by Christ, and at the same time he also judges himself now that his intellect has been purified by the Holy Ghost. Whereas in his life he may have had a distorted and perverted sense of right and wrong, good and evil, now he sees himself as he truly is. Whether he repented or not we cannot know, but in the end no matter what became of his soul, it was by his choice. One way or another he was given his chance to accept Christ's sacrifice. Maybe now he makes reparation for his sin... or maybe he has been cast into the fire. However, he had his chance, as we all do. We know that to be true.

Some, through a distortion of justice, wish Osama to be in hell. This is in fact as pro-death as it is possible to be. This attitude is a perversion of justice, not a fulfillment of it. When the body is destroyed, as in murder, the soul of the victim remains unharmed. This is why the death of our martyrs is a cause for reverence. Death is conquered through the Blood of Christ. The horror of murder is not only in the death of the innocent, but most poignantly in the damage to the soul of the murderer. By committing murder, the murderer rejects in the most radical way possible the gift of life in the innocent, as well as the gift of life in himself. He rejects in himself the possibility of salvation. He turns his back on Christ on the Cross. This is the real tragedy when a murder is committed. Certainly, the soul of the dead innocent prays to God for the soul of the murderer.
If one hopes for, even prays for the damnation of Osama bin Laden, are they not also rejecting the possibility of salvation? The murderer delights in the death of the body, but those who pray to beaver dam the murderer delight in the eternal death and torment of his soul.

From the Sermon on the Mount:
[21] You have heard that it was said to them of old: Thou shalt not kill. And whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment. [22] But I say to you, that whosoever is angry with his brother, shall be in danger of the judgment. And whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council. And whosoever shall say, Thou Fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. [23] If therefore thou offer thy gift at the altar, and there thou remember that thy brother hath any thing against thee; [24] Leave there thy offering before the altar, and go first to be reconciled to thy brother: and then coming thou shalt offer thy gift. [25] Be at agreement with thy adversary betimes, whilst thou art in the way with him: lest perhaps the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

[21] "Shall be in danger of the judgment"... That is, shall deserve to be punished by that lesser tribunal among the Jews, called the Judgment, which took cognizance of such crimes.


[22] "Raca"... A word expressing great indignation or contempt. Shall be in danger of the council ... That is, shall deserve to be punished by the highest court of judicature, called the Council, or Sanhedrim, consisting of seventy-two persons, where the highest causes were tried and judged, which was at Jerusalem.


[22] "Thou fool"... This was then looked upon as a heinous injury, when uttered with contempt, spite, or malice: and therefore is here so severely condemned. Shall be in danger of hell fire-- literally, according to the Greek, shall deserve to be cast into the Gehenna of fire. Which words our Saviour made use of to express the fire and punishments of hell.

(Mt. 5: 21-25)

We cannot wish for the torment and eternal death of the soul of a murderer. To do so is even more radically pro-death than the abortionists, the warlords, and the assassins. We must pray for his life too. If we are as pro-life as we say, then his life is precious to us as well.

Tonight we must pray that God has mercy on the soul of Osama bin Laden. No matter how violently your mind revolts against this, it must be done. Pray that God gives you a sense of His mercy. Pray that you imitate the prayers of the Church Triumphant. Pray for his soul. It's for his sake and for yours.
"When thy enemy shall fall, be not glad, and in his ruin let not thy heart rejoice."

[img]http://www.iconsexplained.com/iec/lib/00058_christ_pantocrator_mosaic_hagia_sophia_492x600.jpg[/img]

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[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1304314908' post='2235657']
I'm kinda disappointed that he wasn't apprehended alive. He doesn't even seem like a real person to me, it would have been interesting, and of historical value, to have seen him on trial and maybe interviewed in prison and all that. Who knows what things he might have said.
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True. We may be able to use the bad light this puts Pakistan in to get them to help us get Mullah Omar. He's even more mysterious.

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A friend of mine posted (on FB) a quote from a NYC fireman saying that he "thinks he speaks for all Americans when he says that he hopes Obama rots in hell".
A girl said that he can't speak for the 12% of Americans who call themselves irreligious. I said that he also can't speak for the 78% of Americans that identify as Christians (Mat5:44).
The post is no longer there.

[Vincent Vega]

A friend of mine posted (on FB) a quote from a NYC fireman saying that he "thinks he speaks for all Americans when he says that he hopes Obama rots in hell".
A girl said that he can't speak for the 12% of Americans who call themselves irreligious. I said that he also can't speak for the 78% of Americans that identify as Christians (Mat5:44).
The post is no longer there.

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May God have mercy on all of us this night.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1304314752' post='2235655']
Watch what India does with this news.
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Here's the front page piece from The Hindu:

http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article1985036.ece

I do think it is interesting that the syndicated news here refers to him as "the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks" (e.g., top story on the yahoo homepage at this moment), whereas The Hindu is careful to say "the [i]alleged[/i] mastermind of the 9/11 terror attacks."

I wouldn't be surprised if it was an ordered summary execution. Of course I have no idea, just speaking from cynicism. Obama says justice has been served but if I were him I'd express disappointment that he was "killed in a firefight" rather than being captured and brought to trial for a better serving of justice.

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Pray for the soul of Osama Bin Laden. He was killed. I have never supported anything he's done, but he was created by God either way.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1304315209' post='2235661']
True. We may be able to use the bad light this puts Pakistan in to get them to help us get Mullah Omar. He's even more mysterious.
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Yeah, that's an interesting point.

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[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1304315217' post='2235662']
A friend of mine posted (on FB) a quote from a NYC fireman saying that he "thinks he speaks for all Americans when he says that he hopes Obama rots in hell".
A girl said that he can't speak for the 12% of Americans who call themselves irreligious. I said that he also can't speak for the 78% of Americans that identify as Christians (Mat5:44).
The post is no longer there.
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[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1304315218' post='2235663']
A friend of mine posted (on FB) a quote from a NYC fireman saying that he "thinks he speaks for all Americans when he says that he hopes Obama rots in hell".
A girl said that he can't speak for the 12% of Americans who call themselves irreligious. I said that he also can't speak for the 78% of Americans that identify as Christians (Mat5:44).
The post is no longer there.
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Wow. Somehow I think if Blessed Pope John Paul II were still alive he'd have something to say about it.

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[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1304315296' post='2235665']
Here's the front page piece from The Hindu:

[url="http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article1985036.ece"]http://www.thehindu....icle1985036.ece[/url]

I do think it is interesting that the syndicated news here refers to him as "the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks" (e.g., top story on the yahoo homepage at this moment), whereas The Hindu is careful to say "the [i]alleged[/i] mastermind of the 9/11 terror attacks."

I wouldn't be surprised if it was an ordered summary execution. Of course I have no idea, just speaking from cynicism. Obama says justice has been served but if I were him I'd express disappointment that he was "killed in a firefight" rather than being captured and brought to trial for a better serving of justice.
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If I had to bet I'd lay my money on one of his men killing him once it became clear that the SEALs weren't going to be stopped long enough for him to excape. Bin Laden has made it clear that he did not want to be taken alive and reports say that he was shot in the head. I don't see our forces shoting him in the head unless they had absolutely no other option. He'd be of unbelieveable value to us alive. Dead he's only a symbol.

Both are wrong since Bin Laden wasn't the mastermind behind 9/11. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the mastermind behind 9/11 and it look like that information that we *pursuaded* Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to give us during his stay at Gitmo led to our finding this place.

Anyway. I guess I'm wondering how India and Afghanistan are going to try to use this to cleave us from Pakistan.

[Laudate_Dominum]

Just thought of this old article for no particular reason.

[url="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/oct/30/alqaida.september11"]God knows it did not cross our minds to attack the towers[/url]

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[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1304317210' post='2235676']
Just thought of this old article for no particular reason.

[url="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/oct/30/alqaida.september11"]God knows it did not cross our minds to attack the towers[/url]
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[i]It never occurred to us that the commander-in-chief of the American forces [Bush] would leave 50,000 citizens in the two towers to face those horrors alone at a time when they most needed him because [b]he thought listening to a child discussing her goat and its ramming[/b] was more important than the planes and their ramming of the skyscrapers. This had given us three times the time needed to carry out the operations, thanks be to God ...[/i]