Guest Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 [quote name='AudreyGrace' timestamp='1304310327' post='2235617'] I was thinking about the fact that it's Divine Mercy Sunday. If we prayed the chaplet earnestly at 3am and pm today, asking God to have mercy on us ALL, doesn't that include Bin Ladin? I think we should all be hoping and praying that he somehow made it to heaven. Whether we like it or not, he is our brother. [/quote] But in order for Him to make it to Heaven he had to repent correct ? Its that simple right ? Or is that just a protestant understanding ? Could he wind up in Heaven because God wants him too ? Is repenting just the safe 100 percent way out ? But if God likes ya and has favor on ya you'll get in no matter what ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin31 Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 In the view of popular opinion, there's likely few peop;e more despised or believed to have committed greater sins that Osama bin Laden. The thing is that the divine mercy of Christ applies to all, not just those who popular opinion say it's OK to be merciful to. If Osama were truly sorry and repentant for his actions, and were to have placed his trust and faith in Christ our Lord, then that should serve as a model for anyone that His forgiveness is truly available for ALL. The likelihood of this may be minute, but it doesn't preclude the chance. Tonight, I just ask that His mercy be with the souls of [b]all [/b]who've departed this Earth, and that His compassion and love be with those who were affected by Osama's actions on this earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 (edited) [quote name='penguin31' timestamp='1304311126' post='2235624'] In the view of popular opinion, there's likely few peop;e more despised or believed to have committed greater sins that Osama bin Laden. The thing is that the divine mercy of Christ applies to all, not just those who popular opinion say it's OK to be merciful to. If Osama were truly sorry and repentant for his actions, and were to have placed his trust and faith in Christ our Lord, then that should serve as a model for anyone that His forgiveness is truly available for ALL. The likelihood of this may be minute, but it doesn't preclude the chance. Tonight, I just ask that His mercy be with the souls of [b]all [/b]who've departed this Earth, and that His compassion and love be with those who were affected by Osama's actions on this earth. [/quote] I just don't see him having repented. Now here's a question. Could God view america killing obama as unjust and untimely ? Like he wasnt supposed to die yet and he would of end up repenting at a later date and accepting Christ ? So if this was the case could he make it to heaven that way ? Edited May 2, 2011 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 [quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1304311373' post='2235625'] I just don't see him having repented. Now here's a question. Could God view america killing obama as unjust and untimely ? Like he wasnt supposed to die yet and he would of end up repenting at a later date and accepting Christ ? So if this was the case could he make it to heaven that way ? [/quote] I'll answer this with something that used to be a pretty common phrase around these parts: Nothing occurs outside the will of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1304311484' post='2235627'] I'll answer this with something that used to be a pretty common phrase around these parts: Nothing occurs outside the will of God. [/quote] So if I'm understaning you right its Gods will when evil happens such as rape and murder of the innocent ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 [quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1304311849' post='2235632'] So if I'm understaning you right its Gods will when evil happens such as rape and murder of the innocent ? [/quote] This is a tough one. I'll leave it for someone more learned, or at least better spoken, than I, but I'll forecast that the answer will have to do with our fallen nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudreyGrace Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 [quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1304310638' post='2235620'] But in order for Him to make it to Heaven he had to repent correct ? Its that simple right ? Or is that just a protestant understanding ? Could he wind up in Heaven because God wants him too ? Is repenting just the safe 100 percent way out ? But if God likes ya and has favor on ya you'll get in no matter what ? [/quote] We never know the state of mind of a person at the point of death. Nor do we know their state before God after they die. Some choose not to repent, others do. Purgatory ftw. Divine Mercy covers all, not just practicing Catholics. Protestants believe that we can do what we want on earth and still expect to go to heaven. Catholics, with the Divine Mercy idea, believe that we must try our best to do God's will, and that when we fail, we must correct ourselves and hope that God has mercy on us and all our brothers and sisters. We are to pray for the conversion of sinners. Back to what Nihil said... God's time is not our time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeresaBenedicta Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 It is God's will that there is free choice of the will. He wills that we choose and choose freely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 [quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1304310119' post='2235613'] That's pretty deep. It make sence though. So I could pray for hitler right now and that might mean because we prayed for him now he repented right before he died. Hmm very interesting. So what about someone who dies before their time ? Will God forgive them because one day they would of ended up repenting ? [/quote] Only God can answer that. It's between him and God; was he misguided, or ignorant, or insane? Or was he evil? I'm reminded again of the rich man and Lazarus. [19] There was a certain rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen; and feasted sumptuously every day. [20] And there was a certain beggar, named Lazarus, who lay at his gate, full of sores, [21] Desiring to be filled with the crumbs that fell from the rich man's table, and no one did give him; moreover the dogs came, and licked his sores. [22] And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom. And the rich man also died: and he was buried in hell. [23] And lifting up his eyes when he was in torments, he saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom: [24] And he cried, and said: Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, to cool my tongue: for I am tormented in this flame. [25] And Abraham said to him: Son, remember that thou didst receive good things in thy lifetime, and likewise Lazareth evil things, but now he is comforted; and thou art tormented. [26] And besides all this, between us and you, there is fixed a great chaos: so that they who would pass from hence to you, cannot, nor from thence come hither. [27] And he said: Then, father, I beseech thee, that thou wouldst send him to my father's house, for I have five brethren, [28] That he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torments. [29] And Abraham said to him: They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. [30] But he said: No, father Abraham: but if one went to them from the dead, they will do penance. [31] [b]And he said to him: If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe, if one rise again from the dead.[/b] We can't really know these answers. Therefore, we throw ourselves down before God's mercy, and pray that everybody does the same. [img]http://www.fssp.org/album/O20070512D/008%20litanies%20of%20all%20the%20saints.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 [quote name='BG45' timestamp='1304309915' post='2235609'] "Do not gloat when your enemy falls; when they stumble, do not let your heart rejoice," Proverbs 24:17 I fear we have only created a martyr. [/quote] Well. I'm happy to follow that advice as soon as Solomon or Yahwey caps a mass murderer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 With his death, he stood before God in judgement. In that moment that Christ looked upon him, he would have seen in brutal clarity the magnitude of his sins. He is judged by Christ, and at the same time he also judges himself now that his intellect has been purified by the Holy Ghost. Whereas in his life he may have had a distorted and perverted sense of right and wrong, good and evil, now he sees himself as he truly is. Whether he repented or not we cannot know, but in the end no matter what became of his soul, it was by his choice. One way or another he was given his chance to accept Christ's sacrifice. Maybe now he makes reparation for his sin... or maybe he has been cast into the fire. However, he had his chance, as we all do. We know that to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeresaBenedicta Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1304312608' post='2235639'] With his death, he stood before God in judgement. In that moment that Christ looked upon him, he would have seen in brutal clarity the magnitude of his sins. He is judged by Christ, and at the same time he also judges himself now that his intellect has been purified by the Holy Ghost. Whereas in his life he may have had a distorted and perverted sense of right and wrong, good and evil, now he sees himself as he truly is. Whether he repented or not we cannot know, but in the end no matter what became of his soul, it was by his choice. One way or another he was given his chance to accept Christ's sacrifice. Maybe now he makes reparation for his sin... or maybe he has been cast into the fire. However, he had his chance, as we all do. We know that to be true. [/quote] Again... Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 I am honoured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 [quote name='TeresaBenedicta' timestamp='1304312723' post='2235641'] Again... Well said. [/quote] Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sr. Gina Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 I pray for the conversion of his many followers... somehow these people have to realize that killing in the name of God, that killing innocent people out of hate is despicable, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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