Bin Laden Dead!

[Nihil Obstat]

They've been devaluing the dollar for decades now.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='RezaMikhaeil' timestamp='1304669672' post='2237866']
Well, I don't care what some individuals in your church have referred to it as, that is not what the current Pope refers to it as and it's factually incorrect. In most of those cases, they did not have that much of a knowledge of Islam to know otherwise. Thomas Aquinas probably didn't know better. You have the benefit of knowing better but refuse that knowledge by persisting in calling it something other then that it's official name is.[/quote]

Factually, depending on who you ask, "Islam" means "submission to the god" or "the way of peace." Factually, the [mod]Negative criticism of other religion. -dUSt[/mod] are not submitting to God's will, nor is their belief system "the way of peace," or even [i]a[/i] "way of peace." Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life. The teachings of Mohammed contradict the teachings of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. [mod]Negative criticism of other religion. -dUSt[/mod]' contradiction of scripture and their denial of Jesus Christ as His Son, is, factually, [i]not[/i] submission to God, nor can it lead to peace. [mod]Negative criticism of other religion. -dUSt[/mod].

~Sternhauser

Edited May 7, 2011 by dUSt

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='RezaMikhaeil' timestamp='1304804525' post='2238492']
Bottomline is that Bush and Obama have run the economy into the ground with keynesian economics, suspended the constitution, devalued the dollar, declared war on countries that posed no threat to the United States, etc.
[/quote]

Hey, you and I agree on some things. Except they never really [i]declared[/i] war. They just perpetrated acts of war.

~Sternhauser

[Jaime]

[quote name='kafka' timestamp='1304470676' post='2236636']
pharasaical interpretations of the Faith are becoming a big problem for Catholics practicing their Faith on the internet and forums like this one.
[/quote]

Almost as bad a problem as Catholics who sound like reformation theologians.

[kafka]

[quote name='jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) (the artist formerly known as hot stuff)' timestamp='1304811207' post='2238522']
Almost as bad a problem as Catholics who sound like reformation theologians.
[/quote]


I guess it takes a former Protestant to hear everything through a reformational ear or put a reformational label on everything. I'm guessing you may have been one once? If not forgive my error.

In any case, I've never read a Protestant theology, just a few critiques of some points of them in Trent and Dulles.
I have read, meditated on and have been heavily influenced by Dei Verbum.

Perhaps I sound like what you are afraid of hearing.

I sound like what you hear in my voice,
But what you hear in my voice is through your ear,
and that is limited, fallen and sinful,
just as the sound of my voice and all sounds of all voices are limited, fallen and sinful,
except for the voice of God emmitted from the Cross,
resounding through all space and time in the consummatum est,
to which and from which all voices will be consummated. So be it.

hmm that sounded solemn.

Edited May 7, 2011 by kafka

[Jaime]

[quote name='kafka' timestamp='1304812591' post='2238525']


I guess it takes a former Protestant to hear everything through a reformational ear or put a reformational label on everything. I'm guessing you may have been one once? If not forgive my error.

In any case, I've never read a Protestant theology, just a few critiques of some points of them in Trent and Dulles.

[/quote]
No I've never been a protestant. I've studied some protestant theologians. That's how I know you sometimes come across like a reformation theologian wannabe


[quote]
Perhaps I sound like what you are afraid of hearing.
[/quote]

I have never in my life been afraid of silly things. Ok sometimes clowns frighten me, but that's it.


[quote]
I sound like what you hear in my voice,
But what you hear in my voice is through your ear,
and that is limited, fallen and sinful,
just as the sound of my voice and all sounds of all voices are limited, fallen and sinful,
except for the voice of God emmitted from the Cross,
resounding through all space and time in the consummatum est,
to which and from which all voices will be consummated. So be it.

hmm that sounded solemn.


[/quote]

If you mean by solemn, crazy, then yes!!

Very very solemn.

Kafka I don't have a problem with amateur theologians. In fact I know a whole bunch of them and I encourage them every chance I get. What I do have a problem with is an amateur theologian who thinks he or she knows more than everybody else including the Vatican.

If you had the attitude of "You know this is what I've read and this is what I've learned. AND THIS IS MY OPINION" I would not be giving you any grief. But if I'm going to ascribe to an interpretation, I'm going with the Church and not yours. Because quite frankly, you've shown me nothing but errors. (hence the reformation theology comment)

[kafka]

alright jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff), I'll repent of my all my errors

[kafka]

all my reformational errors. Some day I'll get things right.

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1304804778' post='2238495']
They've been devaluing the dollar for decades now.
[/quote]

There is no doubt about that, that's the point that I was making in a short sentence.


[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1304804970' post='2238496']
Factually, depending on who you ask, "Islam" means "submission to the god" or "the way of peace." Factually, the [mod]Negative criticism of other religion. -dUSt[/mod] are not submitting to God's will, nor is their belief system "the way of peace," or even [i]a[/i] "way of peace." Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life. The teachings of Mohammed contradict the teachings of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. [mod]Negative criticism of other religion. -dUSt[/mod]' contradiction of scripture and their denial of Jesus Christ as His Son, is, factually, [i]not[/i] submission to God, nor can it lead to peace. [mod]Negative criticism of other religion. -dUSt[/mod].

~Sternhauser
[/quote]

Well you're correct about the Etymology to a degree. The term comes from two distinct terms, one is [i]s-l-m[/i] [entrusting ones self to another being, submission, etc] and the other is Salaam [peace]. The term "G-d" is not in there, as much as many Muslims would like to imply. I have found that it's mostly Muslims that do not understand Arabic, or those trying to convince people that don't understand Arabic that make such implications. Since dust moderated the rest of your post, I will make attempts at guessing what you said. I'm not going to say that the path of Islam is "The Way" as Christians understand the term Orthodox [right path] but I can argue that many of them are submitting to G-d by the only means they understand, have knowledge of, are convicted of, are cultured to, etc. I cannot speak for all Muslims, but to an extent - I can speak for the members of my family, who are Muslims. They have a genuine desire to serve G-d but are not convinced that Christianity is the correct method for which to serve G-d. When they partake in Salat, they are not doing so for the sake of Muhammad, but rather for the sake of G-d. Now surely you could argue that Muhammad's path is incorrect, but you cannot argue against their sincerity and motivations.

Now it's true that the teachings of Muhammad contradict the understanding of G-d that the Roman Catholic Church ascribes. However so do Protestants and I'd like to argue that many of them are in a worse position because it's a deliberate schism, rather then the situation with most Muslims.



[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1304805153' post='2238497']
Hey, you and I agree on some things. Except they never really [i]declared[/i] war. They just perpetrated acts of war.

~Sternhauser
[/quote]

You're correct, it wasn't a declared act of war, but militarily it has all the symptoms of it and the reasons that Obama cited were unconstitutional. Bush and Obama have truly sidelined the Constitution.

[Jaime]

[quote name='kafka' timestamp='1304816219' post='2238534']
alright jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) (the artist formerly known as hot stuff), I'll repent of my all my errors
[/quote]

are you being serious or facetious?

If you're being facetious, I could list a few.

[kafka]

[quote name='jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff)' timestamp='1304820316' post='2238548']
are you being serious or facetious?

If you're being facetious, I could list a few.
[/quote]
a little of both.

I realize I'm far from perfect in my understanding of the Faith, and I am constantly striving to correct my errors and plunge ever deeper and ever subtler into Tradition-Scripture-Magisterium. For me it is a continual conversion of heart and mind, of repentence and conversion. My understanding of the Faith is not where it was this time last year or even a month ago. So I am changing that way.

but I also realize that the same is true of all the members here, and I dont think anyone here has a perfect understanding of the Faith.

So it is what it is.

[kafka]

and also trying to lighten up and move forward. I said what I said. Bin Laden died almost a week ago and I'm not going to continue to linger on this. I'm moving forward:

{3:12} waiting for, and hurrying toward, the advent of the day of the Lord, by which the burning heavens shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt from the heat of the fire.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='RezaMikhaeil' timestamp='1304818466' post='2238544']
Now it's true that the teachings of Muhammad contradict the understanding of G-d that the Roman Catholic Church ascribes. However so do Protestants and I'd like to argue that many of them are in a worse position because it's a deliberate schism, rather then the situation with most Muslims.
[/quote]
I agree with this. I often think that it would be much easier for Muslims to be invincibly ignorant of the True Church than Protestants.

[Jaime]

[quote name='kafka' timestamp='1304820977' post='2238555']
a little of both.

I realize I'm far from perfect in my understanding of the Faith, and I am constantly striving to correct my errors and plunge ever deeper and ever subtler into Tradition-Scripture-Magisterium. For me it is a continual conversion of heart and mind, of repentence and conversion. My understanding of the Faith is not where it was this time last year or even a month ago. So I am changing that way.

but I also realize that the same is true of all the members here, and I dont think anyone here has a perfect understanding of the Faith.

So it is what it is.
[/quote]

no but there are a few folks here who I trust to have an accurate assessment of Church teachings.

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1304821350' post='2238563']
I agree with this. I often think that it would be much easier for Muslims to be invincibly ignorant of the True Church than Protestants.
[/quote]

I'd say that's true without a doubt. Protestants are quite deliberate in their schism. They have made deliberate attempts to replace mass with their own substitute, replace the theology established at the various historic councils with protestant alternatives, etc. Where as people distinguish Islam as "a different religion", they often confuse Protestantism for Christianity, rather than the historic church, etc.