Bin Laden Dead!

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[quote name='Era Might' timestamp='1304366152' post='2235894']
The wages of sin are death. Osama Bin Laden reaped what he sowed. I don't see any reason to manufacture false pity for an historically evil figure. As a man, I certainly mourn for Bin Laden in the way I mourn for all poor sinners. But as an historical figure, he is more a subject for analysis than a subject for personal feeling (that's true for most historical figures).[/QUOTE]

Historical figures do not exist in isolation. I've never met the man but he had a large and negative impact on my life and on the lives of many, many people. His death also impacts me personally.

[QUOTE]But, at the same time, just as Bin Laden's historical death is a subject for analysis, the nation that pursued him is also a subject for analysis. I'm not one to get behind nationalistic "celebration" over Bin Laden's death. His death is propaganda for the United States as much as it is for terrorists. The "patriotic" response is to insert Bin Laden's death in the narrative of America's role as a supposed "global force for good."[/QUOTE]

Because in this instance America was a global force for good.

[QUOTE]But all this patriotic celebration has nothing to do with justice.[/QUOTE]

Sure he does. He came to a just end and people are, amongst other things, celebrating that.

[QUOTE]As someone once remarked to me, "Governments do not have friends, they have interests."[/QUOTE]

No. That's a misstatement of the quote that misses the point of the quote.

Lord Palmertson
[i]Therefore I say that it is a narrow policy to suppose that this country or that is to be marked out as the eternal ally or the perpetual enemy of England. We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow.
[/i]
[QUOTE]Bin Laden's death is in the United State's interests. Let's not kid ourselves that it's anything more than that.[/QUOTE]

Set, sub-set relationship. Just because it is in America's interests doesn't mean that it is in America's realpolitic interests and nothing more.

[QUOTE]I do not mourn Bin Laden's death. Neither do I celebrate it.
[/quote]


You're cool

[AudreyGrace]

Trivia: Hitler and Bin Ladin were both pronounced dead on May 1st.

[penguin31]

The Vatican has issued a statement
[url="http://www.ncregister.com/blog/vatican-statement-on-bin-ladens-death/"]http://www.ncregiste...n-ladens-death/ [/url]

The relevant part:
[quote][i] Osama Bin Laden - as everyone knows - has had the gravest responsibility for spreading hatred and division among people, causing the deaths of countless people, and exploiting religion for this purpose.

[/i][i]Faced with the death of a man, a Christian never rejoices, but reflects on the serious responsibility of everyone before God and man, and hopes and pledges that every event is not an opportunity for a further growth of hatred, but of peace."[/i][/quote]

[Groo the Wanderer]

just wondering if he got his 72 virgins?

[img]http://media.moddb.com/images/members/1/358/357060/NunsWithGuns1.jpg[/img]


dunno

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='penguin31' timestamp='1304376270' post='2235986']
The Vatican has issued a statement
[url="http://www.ncregister.com/blog/vatican-statement-on-bin-ladens-death/"]http://www.ncregiste...n-ladens-death/ [/url]

The relevant part:
[/quote][quote name='Chamomile' timestamp='1304342318' post='2235709']
Amen

From the Vatican spokesperson, Fr. Lombardi:



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Edited May 2, 2011 by USAirwaysIHS

[kafka]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1304306984' post='2235574']
No Lord don't. If I'm supposed to believe in hell I need to know without a shadow of a doubt this waste of flesh is rotting and suffering there.
[/quote]
iawtc.

[Psalm 142] (143)
{142:1} A Psalm of David, when his son Absalom was pursuing him. O Lord, hear my prayer. Incline your ear to my supplication in your truth. Heed me according to your justice.
{142:2} And do not enter into judgment with your servant. For all the living will not be justified in your sight.
{142:3} For the enemy has pursued my soul. He has lowered my life to the earth. He has stationed me in darkness, like the dead of ages past.
{142:4} And my spirit has been in anguish over me. My heart within me has been disturbed.
{142:5} I have called to mind the days of antiquity. I have been meditating on all your works. I have meditated on the workings of your hands.
{142:6} I have extended my hands to you. My soul is like a land without water before you.
{142:7} O Lord, heed me quickly. My spirit has grown faint. Do not turn your face away from me, lest I become like those who descend into the pit.
{142:8} Make me hear your mercy in the morning. For I have hoped in you. Make known to me the way that I should walk. For I have lifted up my soul to you.
{142:9} O Lord, rescue me from my enemies. I have fled to you.
{142:10} Teach me to do your will. For you are my God. Your good Spirit will lead me into the righteous land.
{142:11} For the sake of your name, O Lord, you will revive me in your fairness. You will lead my soul out of tribulation.
{142:12} And you will scatter my enemies in your mercy. [b]And you will destroy all those who afflict my soul.[/b] For I am your servant.

{17:32} For who is God, except the Lord? And who is God, except our God?
{17:33} It is God who has wrapped me with virtue and made my way immaculate.
{17:34} It is he who has perfected my feet, like the feet of deer, and who stations me upon the heights.
{17:35} [b]It is he who trains my hands for battle. And you have set my arms like a bow of brass.[/b]
{17:36} And you have given me the protection of your salvation. And your right hand sustains me. And your discipline has corrected me unto the end. And your discipline itself will teach me.
{17:37} [b]You have expanded my footsteps under me, and my tracks have not been weakened.[/b]
{17:38}[b] I will pursue my enemies and apprehend them. And I will not turn back until they have failed.
{17:39} I will break them, and they will not be able to stand. They will fall under my feet.
{17:40} And you have wrapped me with virtue for the battle. And those rising up against me, you have subdued under me.
{17:41} And you have given the back of my enemies to me, and you have destroyed those who hated me.
{17:42} They cried out, but there was none to save them, to the Lord, but he did not heed them.
{17:43} And I will crush them into dust before the face of the wind, so that I will obliterate them like the mud in the streets.[/b]
{17:44} You will rescue me from the contradictions of the people. You will set me at the head of the Gentiles.
{17:45} A people I did not know has served me. As soon as their ears heard, they were obedient to me.
{17:46} The sons of foreigners have been deceitful to me, the sons of foreigners have grown weak with time, and they have wavered from their paths.
{17:47} The Lord lives, and blessed is my God, and may the God of my salvation be exalted:
{17:48} O God, who vindicates me and who subdues the people under me, my liberator from my enraged enemies.
{17:49} And you will exalt me above those who rise up against me. From the iniquitous man, you will rescue me.
{17:50} Because of this, O Lord, I will confess to you among the nations, and I will compose a psalm to your name:
{17:51} magnifying the salvation of his king, and showing mercy to David, his Christ, and to his offspring, even for all time.

[kafka]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1304364946' post='2235876']
Especially interesting is how many who consider themselves to be pro-life are so quick to hope that he is "rotting in hell". Very disturbing, in my opinion. They're letting emotion and nationalism take precedence over Christian love.
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Christian love is just.

[Selah]

[quote name='kafka' timestamp='1304388672' post='2236092']
Christian love is just.
[/quote]

Just what?

[kafka]

[quote name='Selah' timestamp='1304388868' post='2236095']
Just what?
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Just as God is Justice. It is good to rejoice because those who were afflicted by this severely evil man are recompensed by the good deeds of the soldiers and by God's Mercy on the day of Divine Mercy and on the day celebrating the beatification of a holy man who hated evil, taught good from evil and forcefully spoke out against evil.

[kafka]

rejoice within reason and order. I dont know how other people are reacting to this. I dont follow the news.

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1304348470' post='2235753']
Man made religions have no true form. There is no Magistereum for the Mohammedan religion, and there is no infallible teaching authority.
[/quote]

Well this is an oversimplification of a religion that does have an orthodox interpretation to it. I'm not using the term "orthodox" in terms of saying that it truly is the correct path, I'm using it in the terminology of saying that it's the proper interpretation of that particular religions guidelines and understanding. Just as if you want the proper interpretation of the Talmud, you go to an Orthodox Jew, this isn't to say that you agree with theologically and otherwise with an Orthodox Jew, but rather that you understand their religion.

Note: There is no Mohammedan religion, it's called Islam.

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1304357607' post='2235814']
I'll celebrate the fact that this vile murderer and enemy of my country has been killed and can thus do no more evil in this world.

In the extremely unlikely event that he had a miraculous total conversion and redemption at the moment of his death, we should rejoice in God's mercy.
If not, then his eternal punishment in hell is an act of God's justice, and I'll rejoice in God's justice.
In any case, all glory and honor be to God.

I'll leave others to mourn and whine about the death of that murdering scumbag.


Oh, but didn't you know that only the most peaceful, inoffensive, pc, fluffy-bunny form of Islam bearing the least resemblance to that practiced by Mohammed the "Prophet" and his immediate followers can possibly be considered "True Islam?"

To say otherwise would be downright Unecumenical.
[/quote]

Socrates, I'm not sure that's what the Roman Catholic Church meant and I think that to truly follow what the Church says often entails doing somethings that we do not want to do. When Jesus said, "love thy enemy", "pray for your enemies", I don't think that he meant only in circumstances that are simple, like when someone steals money from you. I think that he was probably referencing the more difficult times, like in the case of mass murderers. When the Roman Catholic Church took a stand against Mousalini, I don't think that the Church officials [thou I have no evidence of this] stopped praying for him and stopped loving him as a human being, even if they did accept the fact that more then likely he would not have changed [and he didn't]. Loving thy enemy that only steals milk money from you, when you were in the 5th grade, is simple. Loving thy enemy that wishes to kill you is more difficult but that's why Christianity is truly the most loving religion to ever have walked the earth. Christians continued to love Diocletian while he was murdering millions of them, including my daughter's Patron Saint, St. Mohreal who was only 12 at the time of her martyrdom.

As for the comment about a "fluffy bunny form of Islam", I never implied such, nor did I ever say such. However, I wouldn't take your opinion of it being the most evil religion to have ever walked the earth and that what Osama did is no different then what Muhammad did. That is not only historically inaccurate but it's theologically incorrect too.

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1304348470' post='2235753']
Man made religions have no true form. There is no Magistereum for the Mohammedan religion, and there is no infallible teaching authority.
[/quote]

Well this is an oversimplification of a religion that does have an orthodox interpretation to it. I'm not using the term "orthodox" in terms of saying that it truly is the correct path, I'm using it in the terminology of saying that it's the proper interpretation of that particular religions guidelines and understanding. Just as if you want the proper interpretation of the Talmud, you go to an Orthodox Jew, this isn't to say that you agree with theologically and otherwise with an Orthodox Jew, but rather that you understand their religion.

Note: There is no Mohammedan religion, it's called Islam.

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1304357607' post='2235814']
I'll celebrate the fact that this vile murderer and enemy of my country has been killed and can thus do no more evil in this world.

In the extremely unlikely event that he had a miraculous total conversion and redemption at the moment of his death, we should rejoice in God's mercy.
If not, then his eternal punishment in hell is an act of God's justice, and I'll rejoice in God's justice.
In any case, all glory and honor be to God.

I'll leave others to mourn and whine about the death of that murdering scumbag.


Oh, but didn't you know that only the most peaceful, inoffensive, pc, fluffy-bunny form of Islam bearing the least resemblance to that practiced by Mohammed the "Prophet" and his immediate followers can possibly be considered "True Islam?"

To say otherwise would be downright Unecumenical.
[/quote]

Socrates, I'm not sure that's what the Roman Catholic Church meant and I think that to truly follow what the Church says often entails doing somethings that we do not want to do. When Jesus said, "love thy enemy", "pray for your enemies", I don't think that he meant only in circumstances that are simple, like when someone steals money from you. I think that he was probably referencing the more difficult times, like in the case of mass murderers. When the Roman Catholic Church took a stand against Mousalini, I don't think that the Church officials [thou I have no evidence of this] stopped praying for him and stopped loving him as a human being, even if they did accept the fact that more then likely he would not have changed [and he didn't]. Loving thy enemy that only steals milk money from you, when you were in the 5th grade, is simple. Loving thy enemy that wishes to kill you is more difficult but that's why Christianity is truly the most loving religion to ever have walked the earth. Christians continued to love Diocletian while he was murdering millions of them, including my daughter's Patron Saint, St. Mohreal who was only 12 at the time of her martyrdom.

As for the comment about a "fluffy bunny form of Islam", I never implied such, nor did I ever say such. However, I wouldn't take your opinion of it being the most evil religion to have ever walked the earth and that what Osama did is no different then what Muhammad did. That is not only historically inaccurate but it's theologically incorrect too.

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1304348470' post='2235753']
Man made religions have no true form. There is no Magistereum for the Mohammedan religion, and there is no infallible teaching authority.
[/quote]

Well this is an oversimplification of a religion that does have an orthodox interpretation to it. I'm not using the term "orthodox" in terms of saying that it truly is the correct path, I'm using it in the terminology of saying that it's the proper interpretation of that particular religions guidelines and understanding. Just as if you want the proper interpretation of the Talmud, you go to an Orthodox Jew, this isn't to say that you agree with theologically and otherwise with an Orthodox Jew, but rather that you understand their religion.

Note: There is no Mohammedan religion, it's called Islam.

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1304357607' post='2235814']
I'll celebrate the fact that this vile murderer and enemy of my country has been killed and can thus do no more evil in this world.

In the extremely unlikely event that he had a miraculous total conversion and redemption at the moment of his death, we should rejoice in God's mercy.
If not, then his eternal punishment in hell is an act of God's justice, and I'll rejoice in God's justice.
In any case, all glory and honor be to God.

I'll leave others to mourn and whine about the death of that murdering scumbag.


Oh, but didn't you know that only the most peaceful, inoffensive, pc, fluffy-bunny form of Islam bearing the least resemblance to that practiced by Mohammed the "Prophet" and his immediate followers can possibly be considered "True Islam?"

To say otherwise would be downright Unecumenical.
[/quote]

Socrates, I'm not sure that's what the Roman Catholic Church meant and I think that to truly follow what the Church says often entails doing somethings that we do not want to do. When Jesus said, "love thy enemy", "pray for your enemies", I don't think that he meant only in circumstances that are simple, like when someone steals money from you. I think that he was probably referencing the more difficult times, like in the case of mass murderers. When the Roman Catholic Church took a stand against Mousalini, I don't think that the Church officials [thou I have no evidence of this] stopped praying for him and stopped loving him as a human being, even if they did accept the fact that more then likely he would not have changed [and he didn't]. Loving thy enemy that only steals milk money from you, when you were in the 5th grade, is simple. Loving thy enemy that wishes to kill you is more difficult but that's why Christianity is truly the most loving religion to ever have walked the earth. Christians continued to love Diocletian while he was murdering millions of them, including my daughter's Patron Saint, St. Mohreal who was only 12 at the time of her martyrdom.

As for the comment about a "fluffy bunny form of Islam", I never implied such, nor did I ever say such. However, I wouldn't take your opinion of it being the most evil religion to have ever walked the earth and that what Osama did is no different then what Muhammad did. That is not only historically inaccurate but it's theologically incorrect too.

[Laudate_Dominum]

Christians just love.

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1304357878' post='2235816']
Actually Dear Leader was busy golfing and attending fundraising parties for himself, while the troops, and in particular SEAL Team 6, busted their asses and risked their lives hunting down bin Laden and Al Qaeda.


But nice try, troll.
[/quote]

I probably shouldn't comment on this but I will. How do you know what he was doing while they were conducting the operation and second, what do you want the president to do - suit up - and go along with them? They are special forces for a reason. Thou I don't agree politically with the president, nor morally most of the time, I think this is just a childish attack upon his charector. He said that he was thankful for what the seal team and the intelligence community did and I see no reason why not to believe him. Contrary to some opinions, he loves this country just as you do. He just has a different vision for which direction to take it in then I do. If you want to attack him on his pro-abortion stance, fine...attack him on his fiscal policies, fine...attack him on his war and foreign policies, fine... but attacking the man on the capture of bin laden is just kindergarden talk.