Cam42's Status Updates....

[Lil Red]

third?

[MissScripture]

Fourth!

[Lil Red]

FIFTH!!!


oh wait.

[MissScripture]

[Roamin Catholic]

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FIFTH!!!


oh wait.
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If the line goes in a circle, that would make Nihil 5th as well as first and you seventh as well as third..got it?

[Nihil Obstat]

Full disclosure: I do not attend SSPX Masses and I do not support the SSPX inasmuch as they are in an irregular position canonically speaking.
Keep in mind also that "Any negative criticism of religious or the current Magisterium will result in deletion, and a warning from the moderators."

With that in mind we should remember Cardinal Hoyos, who is a member of the Magisterium, as well as formerly in a position of great authority and is no longer because of his retirement.
With that in mind, I post his words, and his alone.

"The Fraternity of St. Pius X is not a consolidated schism per se, but its history has included some schismatic actions..."

"I know there are in the [SSPX] Fraternity people filled with good will," Cardinal Castrillón said. "The Superior General, His Excellency, Bishop Bernard Fellay, has in the past years persevered in dialogue."

"Please accept that I reject the term "ecumenism ad intra." The bishops, priests and faithful of the Society of St Pius X are not schismatics. It is Archbishop Lefebrve who has undertaken an illicit Episcopal consecration and therefore performed a schismatic act. It is for this reason that the Bishops consecrated by him have been suspended and excommunicated. The priests and faithful of the Society have not been excommunicated. They are not heretics."

"We are not confronted with a heresy. It cannot be said in correct, exact, and precise terms that there is a schism. There is a schismatic attitude in the fact of consecrating bishops without pontifical mandate. They are within the Church. There is only the fact that a full, more perfect communion is lacking — as was stated during the meeting with Bishop Fellay — a fuller communion, because communion does exist."

"[...]attending Masses celebrated by priests of the SSPX is not in itself a delict and does not bring about excommunication;"

"[...][b]only[/b] those of the faithful who see the SSPX as the [u]only true church, [i]and who make this visible externally[/i][/u], incur the penalty of excommunication;"

[url="http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/mershon/070410"]My source[/url]


In summary: these are the words of Cardinal Hoyos. I find them fascinating, and food for though. I realized after reading these and similar statements that my attitude towards the SSPX in the past was more condemnatory than what was warranted.
I believe that the SSPX will be regularized in the near future. Perhaps two years or less. I think it will be similarly fascinating to pay attention to official statements that arise when this occurs.

Also my previous question was meant seriously.

[Lil Red]

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If the line goes in a circle, that would make Nihil 5th as well as first and you seventh as well as third..got it?


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aha!!


idgi

[Roamin Catholic]

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aha!!


idgi
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[Aloysius]

I'm not saying doesn't mean they don't, it's just not my argument here that they do. There are discussions currently going on between them and Rome regarding that issue, and those discussions are pretty much at a standstill. it's a hugely complex subject, and I'm not saying, because it's also the ultimate subject that shall not be named on phatmass. you see, voldemort put a spell on the subject, and if you're caught talking about it the death eaters will suddenly know exactly where you are, and you'll never be able to destroy all of Bugnini's horcruxes.

if the phishy tag came AFTER the SSPX thing, even if it was after a couple days, I'd bet dollars to donuts it was hugely influential in the tagging. I'd imagine there was a discussion among the mods and dUSt about it.

impressionable youth should not be steered towards the SSPX canonical ghetto of shades of grey that muddy the waters of traditional obedience to Christ's successors. that's my position, that's phatmass's position, and the phishy tag was invented for the express purpose of ensuring that phatmass was not a place where that was likely to happen.

oh phatmass, I first deepened my faith within the novus ordo, I then found tradition, I flirted with disobedient tradition in a way that gave me a sympathy for those who hold the position but also a decent fraternal disagreement with them, and I found my way to an amazingly deep faith that brings me peace. I credit the way dUSt dealt with the most sticky subjects in the Catholic interwebs for bringing me to where I am, which is in fact one who attends only the EF and Byzantine Catholic liturgies.

my apology included an explanation for why I reposted the same thing here. if I were still a mod I wouldn't warn me for it because the explanation seems to make a bit of sense. anyway I really didn't quite understand the purpose of this thread, I actually never really utilized the status feature of this site cuz I'm a dinosaur and not used to it... I really thought "status updates" was referring to status as Church scholar, phishy, or creepy alien. ah well, your posts were interpretted by many as referring to certain beefs that were going on between thyself and phatmass. anyway, I'm not a mod, so a mod could warn me if they wanted.... it'd be a technical foul I suppose.

[Lil Red]

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yes!

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1303708526' post='2232250']
I'm not saying, because it's also the ultimate subject that shall not be named on phatmass. you see, voldemort put a spell on the subject, and if you're caught talking about it the death eaters will suddenly know exactly where you are, and you'll never be able to destroy all of Bugnini's horcruxes.
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WIN!

[Roamin Catholic]

[Aloysius]

Nihil, I think you will find all of my posts fully in line with Hoyos's thinking. Hoyos has been highly influential in forming my opinion of the SSPX. His quotes do not in any way make the SSPX okay.

[Vincent Vega]

Methinks people have had a rupture of hermeneutic between themselves and ipso facto the spirit of the lameboard.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1303708789' post='2232260']
Nihil, I think you will find all of my posts fully in line with Hoyos's thinking. Hoyos has been highly influential in forming my opinion of the SSPX. His quotes do not in any way make the SSPX okay.
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I agree, and I never implied otherwise.


Also, that question I asked on the previous page was meant seriously and I was hoping very much for an answer.