Most Catholic Women In Us Use Contraceptives

[Nihil Obstat]

Does this statistic include NFP as contraception? I know some will consider it as such.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1303233264' post='2230214']
Does this statistic include NFP as contraception? I know some will consider it as such.
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The first sentence doesn't make it appear so, but then, reporters are notoriously ignorant on three subjects: the Church and its teachings, economics, and firearms. "Some 98 percent of sexually active Catholic women in the United States have used contraceptive methods banned by the church."

~Sternhauser

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1303244207' post='2230295']
The first sentence doesn't make it appear so, but then, reporters are notoriously ignorant on three subjects: the Church and its teachings, economics, and firearms. "Some 98 percent of sexually active Catholic women in the United States have used contraceptive methods banned by the church."

~Sternhauser
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There are some who think even NFP is banned by the Church unless there is a grave reason, and then proceed to question whether people's reasons are grave.

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1303259897' post='2230371']
There are some who think even NFP is banned by the Church unless there is a grave reason, and then proceed to question whether people's reasons are grave.
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so, in other words, puritanical doorknobs?

[kafka]

Concerning NFP Pope Paul VI taught well-grounded reasons, or reasonable motives in Humanae Vitae. In other words a just reason, or that which is right before God who is the Eterrnal Moral Law and in light of all the other ethical teachings of God via Tradition, Scripture and Magisterium:

“If therefore there are[b] well-grounded reasons [/b]for spacing births, arising from the physical or psychological condition of husband or wife, or from external circumstances, the Church teaches that married people may then take advantage of the natural cycles immanent in the reproductive system and engage in marital intercourse only during those times that are infertile, thus controlling birth in a way which does not in the least offend the moral principles which We have just explained.” (Humanae Vitae, n. 16).

“But it is equally true that it is exclusively in the former case that husband and wife are ready to abstain from intercourse during the fertile period as often as for [b]reasonable motives [/b]the birth of another child is not desirable. And when the infertile period recurs, they use their married intimacy to express their mutual love and safeguard their fidelity toward one another. In doing this they certainly give proof of a true and authentic love.” (Humanae Vitae, n. 16).

Edited April 20, 2011 by kafka

[cmotherofpirl]

Most girls hear about birth control in middle school, including where to get it, and its seen as a rite of passage, just in case you need it, and the underlying assumption is [u]of course[/u] you are going to need it. Many are put on BC before their bodies are fully developed as women, and hell only knows the consequences of an entire generation with artifically-induced hormones controlling their systems. People go out of their way to buy organic food but pollute their bodies on a daily basis

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1303794115' post='2233242']
Most girls hear about birth control in middle school, including where to get it, and its seen as a rite of passage, just in case you need it, and the underlying assumption is [u]of course[/u] you are going to need it. Many are put on BC before their bodies are fully developed as women, and hell only knows the consequences of an entire generation with artifically-induced hormones controlling their systems. People go out of their way to buy organic food but pollute their bodies on a daily basis
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Yep. And while they're told about birth control, they're not told exactly how it works or what it does or any potential health problems from it. I had a roommate whose cholesterol went sky-high because of the pill; thankfully it went back down once she went off it. My cholesterol went up, too, when I was on it, but I never made that connection.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='Archaeology cat' timestamp='1303803168' post='2233295']
Yep. And while they're told about birth control, they're not told exactly how it works or what it does or any potential health problems from it. I had a roommate whose cholesterol went sky-high because of the pill; thankfully it went back down once she went off it. My cholesterol went up, too, when I was on it, but I never made that connection.
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That is, if their sex ed is anything like what mine was.

[Papist]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1303794115' post='2233242']
Most girls hear about birth control in middle school, including where to get it, and its seen as a rite of passage, just in case you need it, and the underlying assumption is [u]of course[/u] you are going to need it. Many are put on BC before their bodies are fully developed as women, and hell only knows the consequences of an entire generation with artifically-induced hormones controlling their systems. People go out of their way to buy organic food but pollute their bodies on a daily basis
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[font="Tahoma"][size="2"]Ditto![/size][/font]

[font="Tahoma"][size="2"]A girl gets suspended from school for having aspirin or midol, but not for birth control pills. And can go down to the free clinic[and PP] and get birth control free w/o parent's consent or notification. I mean for crying out loud, a high school girl needs parent's consent and/or notification to play on the school's volleyball team.[/size][/font]

Edited April 26, 2011 by Papist

[MithLuin]

This study was done by the Guttmacher Institute, the research arm of Planned Parenthood, and they said the results were consistent with Catholics for a Free Choice, which is the group advocating for 'abortion rights.'

Anyway, I think it's clear that the intent is to smear the Church and say, 'no one listens to you anyway; get with the times.'

Like [b]Ed[/b], I'm more than a bit skeptical. It seems almost as if they figured out how many people use NFP, and then just assumed the rest were on birth control. The numbers don't quite add up.

Regardless, we know that many Catholics in the US do indeed use contraceptive methods that are contrary to the practice of our faith. We don't need a study to tell us that! Some priests do preach about this. My sister said she sat through a homily once that made her feel guilty...and she was pregnant at the time! (She and her husband have never used birth control, though she does chart her cycles.)

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1303171717' post='2229965']
Or a herem.

~Sternhauser
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Herem? I barely know them!

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='MithLuin' timestamp='1303847387' post='2233532']
This study was done by the Guttmacher Institute, the research arm of Planned Parenthood, and they said the results were consistent with Catholics for a Free Choice, which is the group advocating for 'abortion rights.'

Anyway, I think it's clear that the intent is to smear the Church and say, 'no one listens to you anyway; get with the times.'

Like [b]Ed[/b], I'm more than a bit skeptical. It seems almost as if they figured out how many people use NFP, and then just assumed the rest were on birth control. The numbers don't quite add up.

Regardless, we know that many Catholics in the US do indeed use contraceptive methods that are contrary to the practice of our faith. We don't need a study to tell us that! Some priests do preach about this. My sister said she sat through a homily once that made her feel guilty...and she was pregnant at the time! (She and her husband have never used birth control, though she does chart her cycles.)
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I'm not really skeptical about those results at all. The Church has failed to catechize this generation and is doing a poor job with the next generation. Priests never talk about contraception and rarely about abortion. Many people consider themselves Catholics who show up at a Catholic funeral of their relative or once got married in the Church. If 2% of Catholics as a whole don't use contraceptives, that almost seems like a high number to me. I can count the number of couples on my hand who have more than 3 children at our parish. I can also count the number of couples who even know what NFP is.

[Sarah147]

[quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1303854422' post='2233613']
I'm not really skeptical about those results at all. The Church has failed to catechize this generation and is doing a poor job with the next generation. Priests never talk about contraception and rarely about abortion. [b]Many people consider themselves Catholics who show up at a Catholic funeral of their relative or once got married in the Church.[/b] If 2% of Catholics as a whole don't use contraceptives, that almost seems like a high number to me. I can count the number of couples on my hand who have more than 3 children at our parish. I can also count the number of couples who even know what NFP is.
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So true and so sad. It's frustrating that you can't really tell a full, loyal Catholic just by them saying they are "Catholic." Usually they are called a "fallen Catholic" if they are commiting mortal sins like missing Mass, contreception, etc. but not all will say that about themselves... Poor catechesis I guess?

[Debra Little]

[quote name='Piccoli Fiori JMJ' timestamp='1303138435' post='2229777']
+JMJ

[url="http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/14/us-most-catholic-women-us-use-birth-cont-idUSTRE73D4SZ20110414"]Reuters[/url]







I wish priests would talk about this more...
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Is that really so bad? People can't afford big families anymore. Those other ways of avoiding pregnancy don't really
work very well.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Debra Little' timestamp='1303861950' post='2233670']
Is that really so bad? People can't afford big families anymore. Those other ways of avoiding pregnancy don't really
work very well.
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Interesting..