Whats The Point?

[the lumberjack]

oh my.

well Hallizoe, it would seem as if my welcome was a bit premature...you've been here a bit longer than I...

oh well.

God bless...and welcome to the nondebate debate table.

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote]
actually, you're learning the catholic perspective of catholicism.

which seems pretty biased.

i'd personally ask an agnostic theologian if i wanted to get the most unbiased opinion of catholicism.[/quote]


i do not see how it is biased if we are telling you what catholics truly believe in because who would know better on what a catholic believes than a catholic himself

God bless.
+JMJ

[Quietfire]

[quote name='Hazilloe' date='Apr 25 2004, 02:45 AM'] actually, you're learning the catholic perspective of catholicism.

which seems pretty biased.

i'd personally ask an agnostic theologian if i wanted to get the most unbiased opinion of catholicism. [/quote]
And since I am not a catholic in the sense that I have not been 'received' into the Church, my response to that is..."Then why are you here?"

It seems to me that if I wanted to know how open heart surgery was done, I would ask a heart surgeon. I certainly wouldnt ask a dentist.

So why would you ask an agnostic theologian questions regarding the Catholicism, after all an agnostic is one who believes that there can be no proof of the existance of God but does not deny the possibility that God exists. Does not the first part of that desciption cancel out the next. Almost an oxymoron, at least to me.

Believe me, I know where you're coming from. Its just that I got tired of asking EVERYONE else about catholicism. It made so much more sense-logically- to ask a catholic about catholicism.

Open your heart. You may not agree with all that is said here, but you may have a better understanding of it.

By the way, this IS a debate. Your opinion vs. the opinion of others.
Anything else is a fight.

[dUSt]

Lumberjack - you've yet to give me an example of what was censored.

Hazilloe - I also welcome you to give me an example of a debate that was censored.

We don't censor non-Catholic vs Catholic debates here. Never have, never will. The only thing we remove from the boards is personal attacks or uncharitable comments. As long as you keep your arguments respectful, you will NEVER be deleted or censored. Is that too much to ask?

Until you can provide me with an example of how an argument was censored, then I'm kindly asking you to stop with these unfair and unfounded accusations.

[the lumberjack]

ok dust,

ironmonk closed the "Fruitless Dialog" thread just because he thought it was going no where...

where I thought (now I might have been alone on this) it was quite a good discussion, though just like the "Welcome to Phatmass....there is no gun" thread, both were started JUST FOR YOURS TRULY.

but you know, as long as I've got people on their toes, and doing the old Copy and Paste shuffle, I'm doing ok.

thanks and God bless.

Christ first and only.

[dUSt]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='Apr 25 2004, 01:08 PM'] ok dust,

ironmonk closed the "Fruitless Dialog" thread just because he thought it was going no where... [/quote]
Okay. That actually was a privilege given to the "Church Militant" back when I didn't have any assigned moderators. They were allowed to close their own topics.

Now that you mention it, and now that there are several moderators assigned to each board, I am going to remove that functionality.

I hope this will help you realize that phatmass is not about censoring arguments, but rather, uncharitable dialogue.

God bless.

[MC Just]

Well the "Anti-Catholic" Perspective isnt truth.

[willguy]

[quote]ironmonk closed the "Fruitless Dialog" thread just because he thought it was going no where...
[/quote]

As dUSt said, Ironmonk closed his own post. dUSt had NOTHING to do with it. So if you want to be mad at someone, be mad at Ironmonk. Don't go accusing the site of wrongdoing.

[the lumberjack]

if you give someone authority to do something in your stead, you are just as culpable as the person you entrusted your power to.

not that I was ever blaming dust for what may have happened.

and any anger I may have felt passed long ago...after all, my faith won't be shaken by the internet, now will it?

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='Hazilloe' date='Apr 25 2004, 01:40 AM'] there's a difference between learning about the church and debating about her.


this isn't a debate table.

i completely agree with lumberjack. [/quote]
There's also a difference between debate and bashing.

"debate v. to discuss or argue opposing points"

Hmmm... according to Websters this is still a debate table....

Edited April 26, 2004 by IcePrincessKRS

[Quietfire]

Lumberjack and Hallizoe,


It seems to me that when you dont get your way on an issue, or if an issue isnt going in the direction you may have wanted it to go, you go off on a rant that Phatmass isnt playing fair.

There are other sites on the internet that allow all to state thier opinions of scripture with no mediators and one finds that you are confused as to what is being taught there, besides confusion.

Its a free for all on interfaith bashing. I am so tired of that. I would ask a question, would get 40 different answers from people that never define thier christianity(if they are Christian at all) and you walk away wondering what is right and what is wrong.

Once you can accept that this IS a CATHOLIC site, and that there are those here who defend the faith, and that we are guests here and must abide by thier rules (and if I'm not mistaken..had to agree to those rules) that if we ask questions in an earnest sense of understanding, then and only then will you understand that no one here is censoring you.

Ive seen some of your postings, do you realize you come out with guns ablazin at times? You make a statement and then POOF! youre off to another post. Sometimes youre not even on the same page as the others, or maybe you are, but fail to explain your stance on the posting made.

I certainly didnt come here to get beat up for wanting to learn. Nor did I come here to beat up others for thier understanding.
Would you walk into a catholic church and make those statements or comments or postings to a priest? No?

I guess it comes down to this.

Are you here to learn about Catholicism, or are you here simply to let others know of your opinions of catholicism?

there is a difference.
I dont visit other christian sites because I got tired of having thier faith shoved down my throat. And I approached them with the same humility as I approached Phatmass.


God Bless