Cam42 Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 [quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1303437624' post='2231025'] That's the funny thing about something run by humans...there are kinks along the way. I would go with any school listed in the Newman Guide. [/quote] Meh. I guess it's better than nothing... One of my alma mater's is listed though....The Mount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcts Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 [quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1303437274' post='2231024'] I vote neither...ND is heterodox. Plain and simple. There are dubious things going on at FUS as well. [/quote] If you want to think that, go ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 [quote name='mcts' timestamp='1303586678' post='2231467'] If you want to think that, go ahead. [/quote] When Notre Dame stops giving degrees to Pro-aborts, and starts disciplining the heterdox teaching of it's senior faculty I will start re-thinking that position. As for FUS....well, let's just say that the charismatic movement which is prevalent there isn't necessarily "authentic," from a Catholic point of view. So, when that changes, I'll start re-thinking that position too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudreyGrace Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 [quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1303587578' post='2231472'] As for FUS....well, let's just say that the charismatic movement which is prevalent there isn't necessarily "authentic," from a Catholic point of view. So, when that changes, I'll start re-thinking that position too... [/quote] Please explain how their charismatic identity is not "authentically Catholic". I've been there a number of times and have not witnessed anything whatsoever that imposes on the sanctity of the Mass and sacraments. But that's just my experience, maybe you've been there and witnessed something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 [quote name='AudreyGrace' timestamp='1303588081' post='2231473'] Please explain how their charismatic identity is not "authentically Catholic". I've been there a number of times and have not witnessed anything whatsoever that imposes on the sanctity of the Mass and sacraments. But that's just my experience, maybe you've been there and witnessed something else? [/quote] I have and I have.... The music and the speaking of tongues and during the Mass. I was there during the early and mid 1990s. The ideas that follow the so called "charismatic renewal" are based upon "early Church" activity, which is essentially archeologicalism and cannot be seen as authentic, because there is no direct proof that this type of charism was actually employed. Also, I am not a fan of the over emphasizing of the helping the poor as if it were an end of the Church and not just a means to the true end. If it were about it being a means and not an end, I would re-think the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcts Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1303587578' post='2231472'] When Notre Dame stops giving degrees to Pro-aborts, and starts disciplining the heterdox teaching of it's senior faculty I will start re-thinking that position. As for FUS....well, let's just say that the charismatic movement which is prevalent there isn't necessarily "authentic," from a Catholic point of view. So, when that changes, I'll start re-thinking that position too... [/quote] Yes, the administration is off it's rocker. However, have you ever been to a the Log Chapel Mass? Or to a Mass at the Basilica? To Luccenarium held at Moreau Seminary? Seen the Eucharistic Procession around campus? Talked to any of the Priests there for Spiritual guidance? Been to the conference sponsored by their center for Ethics and Culture? Been to any of their talks? I have not come across many places with more reverence, respect, and Orthodoxy than I have seen at Notre Dame. Edited April 23, 2011 by mcts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeresaBenedicta Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 [quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1303440177' post='2231036'] Meh. I guess it's better than nothing... One of my alma mater's is listed though....The Mount. [/quote] You went to the Mount?! She's really gotten her act together. (I just graduated in 2010). The theology department is still... well, let's just say that there's good reason I chose to major in philosophy and only minor in theology there. But the campus life is in a huge turn around and Catholic identity is strongly increases under the current administration. They're over-flowing in the daily Mass chapels, and a few times a week the Mass is celebrated [i]ad orientem[/i] and Latin is thrown fairly often, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudreyGrace Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1303588995' post='2231476'] I have and I have.... The music and the speaking of tongues and during the Mass. I was there during the early and mid 1990s. The ideas that follow the so called "charismatic renewal" are based upon "early Church" activity, which is essentially archeologicalism and cannot be seen as authentic, because there is no direct proof that this type of charism was actually employed. Also, I am not a fan of the over emphasizing of the helping the poor as if it were an end of the Church and not just a means to the true end. If it were about it being a means and not an end, I would re-think the idea. [/quote] Well it's unfortunate you've witnessed those things. I'm sure the celebrant and probably most of the people around those speaking in tongues did not appreciate it very much, either. You can't judge an entire campus' spirituality based on how some people allow that to happen to themselves during the Mass. The music issue can be debated all day, so let's agree to disagree on that one. Also because that's been argued on phatmass plenty of times before, and I don't feel like beating a dead horse. As for the emphasis on serving the poor......... um... it's FRANCISCAN University That's kind of their charism... to serve the poor, respect nature, etc etc... Edited April 23, 2011 by AudreyGrace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 [quote name='mcts' timestamp='1303589807' post='2231477'] Yes, the administration is off it's rocker. However, have you ever been to a the Log Chapel Mass? Or to a Mass at the Basilica? To Luccenarium held at Moreau Seminary? Seen the Eucharistic Procession around campus? Talked to any of the Priests there for Spiritual guidance? Been to the conference sponsored by their center for Ethics and Culture? Been to any of their talks? I have not come across many places with more reverence, respect, and Orthodoxy than I have seen at Notre Dame. [/quote] No. I will not step foot on that campus. I will not be complicit in supporting an institution which is clearly heterodox while promoting itself as being Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 [quote name='TeresaBenedicta' timestamp='1303590168' post='2231479'] You went to the Mount?! She's really gotten her act together. (I just graduated in 2010). The theology department is still... well, let's just say that there's good reason I chose to major in philosophy and only minor in theology there. But the campus life is in a huge turn around and Catholic identity is strongly increases under the current administration. They're over-flowing in the daily Mass chapels, and a few times a week the Mass is celebrated [i]ad orientem[/i] and Latin is thrown fairly often, too. [/quote] I did. I was there in 1999-2000 on the seminary side. I didn't have a lot to do with the college, other than I took a grad level class from Dr. Grisez. When I was there though, the campus minister didn't strike me as being overly orthodox though, to be fair, he didn't strike me as being much of anything.... The Mount was a great experience....I was there right before all of the major renovations to the cafeteria, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vee Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 (edited) CUA? Edited April 23, 2011 by vee8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 [quote name='AudreyGrace' timestamp='1303591504' post='2231483'] Well it's unfortunate you've witnessed those things. I'm sure the celebrant and probably most of the people around those speaking in tongues did not appreciate it very much, either. You can't judge an entire campus' spirituality based on how some people allow that to happen to themselves during the Mass. The music issue can be debated all day, so let's agree to disagree on that one. Also because that's been argued on phatmass plenty of times before, and I don't feel like beating a dead horse. As for the emphasis on serving the poor......... um... it's FRANCISCAN University That's kind of their charism... to serve the poor, respect nature, etc etc... [/quote] Perhaps.... This wasn't just some people....I was at FUS for the whole of the weekend and I witnessed these actions more than a few times and not just by a few. The priest was supporting and participating the in "charismatic Mass" which was very disturbing for me.... As for the music, there really isn't a debate, the Mass has parameters by which music should follow, but doesn't. As for the emphasis on serving the poor, I have no issue with serving the poor. I actually encourage it, but I disagree with the mentality for it. It certainly seems as though the serving of the poor is the end and not merely a means to bring Greater Glory to God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeresaBenedicta Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 [quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1303595834' post='2231501'] I did. I was there in 1999-2000 on the seminary side. I didn't have a lot to do with the college, other than I took a grad level class from Dr. Grisez. When I was there though, the campus minister didn't strike me as being overly orthodox though, to be fair, he didn't strike me as being much of anything.... The Mount was a great experience....I was there right before all of the major renovations to the cafeteria, etc... [/quote] Funny you mention Grisez- when I was there, he was mainly on the seminary side of campus. The 70s-90s were tough times for the Mount, on the college side at least. Like I mentioned in my previous post, things have really turned around and there's been a very focused effort on increasing the Catholic identity of the school (to the point where we had a Vice Pres. of Catholic Identity). And right now there's an [i]amazing[/i] chaplain, a lot of involvement on the part of a few seminary priests (and quite a few older seminarians), and FOCUS. The seminary, to my knowledge, did fairly well in keeping away from the liberal infiltrations of recent years. Well, anyways, glad to see another Mountie, even if it were for a brief period of time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudreyGrace Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 tag Respect the authority put forth by the interwebz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 [quote name='TeresaBenedicta' timestamp='1303596232' post='2231504'] Funny you mention Grisez- when I was there, he was mainly on the seminary side of campus. The 70s-90s were tough times for the Mount, on the college side at least. Like I mentioned in my previous post, things have really turned around and there's been a very focused effort on increasing the Catholic identity of the school (to the point where we had a Vice Pres. of Catholic Identity). And right now there's an [i]amazing[/i] chaplain, a lot of involvement on the part of a few seminary priests (and quite a few older seminarians), and FOCUS. The seminary, to my knowledge, did fairly well in keeping away from the liberal infiltrations of recent years. Well, anyways, glad to see another Mountie, even if it were for a brief period of time! [/quote] Fr. Brian Nolan and I were at the Mount at the same time, I think. He was a couple of years ahead of me, but I am certain that we were seminarians at the same time. It is good to know that things are changing around, though....the disconnect between the seminary and the college was palpable from an orthodoxy pov. As far as contact interpersonally goes, the only real contact was between the pre-the's and occasionally seeing some at the library. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now