I Think Showing Pictures Of Aborted Babies Is Disrespectful

[InPersonaChriste]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1301431856' post='2224369']
Oh wow, I did not see you are new here! Good to see you jumping right in.

By the way, watch out for Lil red, and Miklobe, they are like serial killer/ninja assasins to all newbies here! Only joking, keep the faith and your obvious commitment to the yet born, and by all means do not forget the Holy Souls in purgatory, they need your prayers.

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I may be a newb but I am fluent in Catholic, (and Call of Duty)

And I just spent my whole weekend debating this topic with my sister and the lady who gave us a 2 hour talk on abortion.

So be afraid, be very afraid :D

[Lil Red]

[quote name='InPersonaChriste' timestamp='1301432043' post='2224370']
I may be a newb but I am fluent in Catholic, (and Call of Duty)

And I just spent my whole weekend debating this topic with my sister and the lady who gave us a 2 hour talk on abortion.

So be afraid, be very afraid :D
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was it a national speaker? was she any good?

[InPersonaChriste]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1301434584' post='2224395']
was it a national speaker? was she any good?
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She was alright,

She was with the Pro-life on campus group Genocide Awarness Project. (GAP) and she is their bookkeeper.

[Lil Red]

cool.

[Santa Cruz]

I understand how we who are pro-life and know that the child in the womb is a living human baby are offended by the images of a child murdered by abortion. When I see photos of an aborted child, I find it offensive. But, we have to keep in mind the culture of death, the targeted audience, who are accustomed to horrific images to the point of being numb. Some people who are caught up in the snares of the culture of death need a "slap" in the face to wake up and these images are surely startling. I respect Father Frank Pavone and trust his judgment on what is needed to wake people up to the reality that abortion is murder. Also as someone mentioned the photos from the Holocaust reveal the truth of what happened in Nazi Germany, causing movement of the heart. Just as the Holocaust in Nazi Germany, abortion is a also a mass murdering and people need to be awakened to the truth of what is going on and the images of an aborted baby evoke conversion.

One thing I do try to do is pray when I see the sad images of an aborted baby for the conversion of all who contributed to the death of the child and I commend the child to God with sorrow for the sins of our culture.

Personally, I find this video to be most powerful and it does not show any horrible images but for someone who is pro-abortion, it may be viewed as sentimental and easily dismissed.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8RUPUH-DoE&feature=player_embedded"]http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded[/url]

[elizabeth09]

I think that showing dead people is dreaful. I do not think that we should show dead people.

[AudreyGrace]

Many pro-abortion activists seem to think that pictures of aborted fetuses are doctored.
One thing I don't understand is how people can take pictures of them in the first place. The one that really gets me is the hand on the dime. Who would even think of that? It seems kind of sick to me..
That being said, as Lil Red said earlier, there is a time and a place. She was showing students in order to explain the pro-life cause. That is honorable. However, I don't think it's okay for people to stand on the street with them, where it is not a learning environment that others can learn the depths of our cause. Instead of seeing a dead child, most pro-choicers see the posters as gross, unnecessary, and fake attempts by the pro-life movement to annoy everyone else.

It all depends on the person displaying the photos, too. Some people do it with a high degree of human respect and out of love and sorrow of the child lost in the picture and of all children lost to abortion. However, others do it to advance a political agenda, and eventually end up seeming to dehumanize the dead child simply for their own cause. I know it sounds weird, but how else can you explain a family portrait of the Obamas next to a picture of four aborted children, like the ones at the March for Life? That display is out of hate, not out of love. If and when photos of aborted children can be displayed out of love, for the better understanding of what pro-life is, then it's fine.

Another thing to think about is that the general idea behind displaying these types of photos is to convince pro-choicers that abortion is evil and that it kills children. However, so many of them are almost conditioned to these pics and have seen them before. As time goes on, less and less people will see these as eye opening experiences of what abortion is, but rather think of them as "those angry stupid prolife people with their signs of dead babies trying to make everyone feel guilty and take away our rights." If our point is to "win over" pro-choicers to become pro-life, then it's time to take new and more effective approaches.

[Ice_nine]

Others have brought up great points as well. There is a time and a place so throwing up billboards with those images is not how I would go about it. I don't think that kids and the like should have to see those images and have someone explain to them what it is when they're not intellectually capable of comprehending it.

The aggressors always want to silent their victims and keep them out of view so I think it's actually advocacy on the behalf of the victim to reveal such an injustice. Like Audrey said it's really messed up to use pictures of aborted children to advance a political agenda And it shoould not be the primary means of communication, but sometimes esp in a culture composed of flash images and soundbytes you only have a second to get a point across, and that's where images can be particularly helpful.

[Cherie]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1301430123' post='2224340']
i think there is a time and place for the image of an aborted baby.

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iawtc

I think there is a time and place, and personally I think people should be told beforehand what they are going to see. I don't think it should be on billboards as such. I think there should be fair "warning," if you will. Showing images during a high school or college presentation, for example, after which the presenter states they will be showing the images and those who would be bothered are given a chance to either leave or turn away, is more appropriate.

The images do not appeal to Americans' sensibilities; just as most Americans are "grossed out" by a realistic depiction of Our Lord's crucifixion. But just as the realistic depiction of Our Lord's crucifixion shows us the true horror of our sins, the images of an aborted child show the horror of what abortion is.

[Santa Cruz]

[b][quote name='AudreyGrace' timestamp='1301455200' post='2224579']
"It all depends on the person displaying the photos, too. Some people do it with a high degree of human respect and out of love and sorrow of the child lost in the picture and of all children lost to abortion. However, others do it to advance a political agenda, and eventually end up seeming to dehumanize the dead child simply for their own cause. I know it sounds weird, but how else can you explain a family portrait of the Obamas next to a picture of four aborted children, like the ones at the March for Life? That display is out of hate, not out of love. If and when photos of aborted children can be displayed out of love, for the better understanding of what pro-life is, then it's fine."[/b][/quote]

You raise a good point that any images shown should be with respect and love and in sorrow of the child lost...I don't know what you mean though when you say people are displaying images to advance a political agenda? What is the political agenda and who does that? I am not saying you are wrong, I just am ignorant of it.

Edited March 30, 2011 by Santa Cruz

[InPersonaChriste]

[quote name='Santa Cruz' timestamp='1301444238' post='2224468']
Just as the Holocaust in Nazi Germany, abortion is a also a mass murdering and people need to be awakened to the truth of what is going on and the images of an aborted baby evoke conversion.

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They didn't show images to stop the holocaust. I took WWII history for a whole year. Holocaust pictures where opened to the public "after" it had already happened.

[sixpence]

I agree that this is similar to show pictures from the holocaust.

If I was brutally murdered I would rather that everyone know about it rather than hiding it from the public. ESPECIALLY if it might help someone else escape the same fate...

[cmotherofpirl]

America has raised a generation protected from the consequences of their actions. Reality checks are necessaary.
People can change their behavior if they see the actual consequences of their behavior, otherwise the simply rationalize it away.
There is a time and place, and a pro-life march is CERTAINLY both.

[Santa Cruz]

[quote name='InPersonaChriste' timestamp='1301501428' post='2224694']
They didn't show images to stop the holocaust. I took WWII history for a whole year. Holocaust pictures where opened to the public "after" it had already happened.
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Thank you, yes I am aware that the public did not see pictures or even hear news of what was going on during the Holocaust until after it was all over. However, seeing the pictures of the Holocaust NOW will help to prevent something like that from happening again. It helps people to understand the capabilities of the evil that lurks in the human heart. We need to know our history. I am glad you took a class on the Holocaust. My family was there, in it and many killed...I know all too well.

[Santa Cruz]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1301503190' post='2224708']
America has raised a generation protected from the consequences of their actions. Reality checks are necessaary.
People can change their behavior if they see the actual consequences of their behavior, otherwise the simply rationalize it away.
There is a time and place, and a pro-life march is CERTAINLY both.
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Agree. Well said.