I Think Showing Pictures Of Aborted Babies Is Disrespectful

[InPersonaChriste]

Do you think that showing pictures of aborted babies as a disrespectful thing?

I always thought that if we didnt waltz around with posters of Euthenasia, porn, or other injustices why do we walk around with bictures of aborted babies?

I think that people should be informed of the injustice of abortion and then they may have an optional choice to view these horrific images. I really dont agree with putting billboards up of aborted babies. At a campus their is a GAP project and they have pictures as big as houses of torn apart baby pieces. Its disrespectful, and their euthenasia campaign was a picture of a happy old man!

Could we not just put a big billboard of a gamete or an ultrasound?

Does anyone agree with me?

In Persona Christe

[Chestertonian]

Until people stop dismissing the "personhood" of unborn babies simply because they can't see them, I think it's a necessary evil.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='InPersonaChriste' timestamp='1301428258' post='2224313']
Do you think that showing pictures of aborted babies as a disrespectful thing?

I always thought that if we didnt waltz around with posters of Euthenasia, porn, or other injustices why do we walk around with bictures of aborted babies?

I think that people should be informed of the injustice of abortion and then they may have an optional choice to view these horrific images. I really dont agree with putting billboards up of aborted babies. At a campus their is a GAP project and they have pictures as big as houses of torn apart baby pieces. Its disrespectful, and their euthenasia campaign was a picture of a happy old man!

Could we not just put a big billboard of a gamete or an ultrasound?

Does anyone agree with me?

In Persona Christe
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Showing pornographic images in itself cannot explain the degradation and objectification of women. Showing porn would, in fact, likely cause some people to want more.

Showing euthanasia doesn't show the nature of the dignity of human beings. It looks like a hospital patient with a needle in his arm, like any other hospital patient.

Showing dismembered children doesn't allow anyone any wiggle room about what abortion is. It defies denial. It is murder. Of innocent babies.

To whom is showing those pictures "disrespectful?" Abortion is disrespectful of life. It is a[i] contradiction[/i] of life. Demonstrating abortion in all its horror in order to wake people up to its nature is a demonstration of the highest respect for human life that could be shown.

I do not agree with you.
~Sternhauser

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='InPersonaChriste' timestamp='1301428258' post='2224313']
Do you think that showing pictures of aborted babies as a disrespectful thing?

I always thought that if we didnt waltz around with posters of Euthenasia, porn, or other injustices why do we walk around with bictures of aborted babies?

I think that people should be informed of the injustice of abortion and then they may have an optional choice to view these horrific images. I really dont agree with putting billboards up of aborted babies. At a campus their is a GAP project and they have pictures as big as houses of torn apart baby pieces. Its disrespectful, and their euthenasia campaign was a picture of a happy old man!

Could we not just put a big billboard of a gamete or an ultrasound?

Does anyone agree with me?

In Persona Christe
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I wrote Father Frank at priests for life several years ago about this very thing. I do not think thats appropriate any more than showing any dead body, its seems to demean the value of life, to lessen the respect we as humans should have for the bodies that God has given us to contain the soul he has blessed them with. Father Frank responded and said something along the lines of - these people have no respect for the life they have within, others do not realize that it is actually a life, we hope to show them that the remains are recognizable as a human and is indeed a life, a human baby that they are destroying, I still do not agree with this and yes i do find it both distasteful and disrespectful, but if it does save some woman from murdering the life that God has trusted her to carry in her womb, than perhaps it has its purpose.

ed

[InPersonaChriste]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1301429163' post='2224325']
Showing pornographic images in itself cannot explain the degradation and objectification of women. Showing porn would, in fact, likely cause some people to want more.

Showing euthanasia doesn't show the nature of the dignity of human beings. It looks like a hospital patient with a needle in his arm, like any other hospital patient.

Showing dismembered children doesn't allow anyone any wiggle room about what abortion is. It defies denial. It is murder. Of innocent babies.

To whom is showing those pictures "disrespectful?" Abortion is disrespectful of life. It is a[i] contradiction[/i] of life. Demonstrating abortion in all its horror in order to wake people up to its nature is a demonstration of the highest respect for human life that could be shown.

I do not agree with you.
~Sternhauser
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What if a woman who recently had an abortion saw one of those billboard trucks and then commited suicide. Would that not also be an injustice upon an injustice?

But you do not show pictures of supposedly braind dead patients having their organs harvested (which is in fact an injustice for they must keep the subject alive until they harvest the organs).

In Persona Christe

[Ed Normile]

Another thought, in a true just world, this could never happen, but, in a true just world the persons who are contemplating abortion should be allowed to use their freewill armed with the knowledge of what they are about to do. I believe that man should not take away their freewill as it is a gift from God, I also feel that before they undergo an abortion they should be shown the pictures and videos of abortions, explained all the medical drawbacks and pyschological ones such as depression etc., then presented with valid options such as adoption, and finally given a modern ultrasound so they can see the baby they want to kill. Then it could truly be called pro-choice.

ed

[InPersonaChriste]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1301429358' post='2224327']
I wrote Father Frank at priests for life several years ago about this very thing. I do not think thats appropriate any more than showing any dead body, its seems to demean the value of life, to lessen the respect we as humans should have for the bodies that God has given us to contain the soul he has blessed them with. Father Frank responded and said something along the lines of - these people have no respect for the life they have within, others do not realize that it is actually a life, we hope to show them that the remains are recognizable as a human and is indeed a life, a human baby that they are destroying, I still do not agree with this and yes i do find it both distasteful and disrespectful, but if it does save some woman from murdering the life that God has trusted her to carry in her womb, than perhaps it has its purpose.

ed
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I do agree with you but (hahah I know your going to kill me for continuing the argument.. :D)

Do you think that showing the image of an ultrasound as efficient? I want the babies to be respected, not objectified as they are human beings.

lol nevermind you sort of already answered this question...

Edited March 29, 2011 by InPersonaChriste

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='InPersonaChriste' timestamp='1301429705' post='2224331']
What if a woman who recently had an abortion saw one of those billboard trucks and then commited suicide. Would that not also be an injustice upon an injustice?[/quote]

It would be. Her injustice upon her injustice. What if 500 women out of tens of thousands did see the signs and didn't have abortions because they realized that abortion is a butchering murder?

[quote]But you do not show pictures of supposedly braind dead patients having their organs harvested (which is in fact an injustice for they must keep the subject alive until they harvest the organs).
In Persona Christe
[/quote]

Such photos would not likely convey the message effectively. If one did, with the family's permission, or with the identifiable portions blurred out, it would be morally licit.

~Sternhauser

Edited March 29, 2011 by Sternhauser

[CatherineM]

I know our archbishop certainly thinks so. He and his brother bishops here aren't going to participate in the March for Life because of the large pictures that some display. To my mind, how do we argue that a fetus is a real human being when we display them in such a disrespectful manner? We are supposed to respect the dignity of humans, even to their dead bodies. It's one of the reasons that we aren't supposed to scatter cremated ashes.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='InPersonaChriste' timestamp='1301428258' post='2224313']
Do you think that showing pictures of aborted babies as a disrespectful thing?

I always thought that if we didnt waltz around with posters of Euthenasia, porn, or other injustices why do we walk around with bictures of aborted babies?

I think that people should be informed of the injustice of abortion and then they may have an optional choice to view these horrific images. I really dont agree with putting billboards up of aborted babies. At a campus their is a GAP project and they have pictures as big as houses of torn apart baby pieces. Its disrespectful, and their euthenasia campaign was a picture of a happy old man!

Could we not just put a big billboard of a gamete or an ultrasound?

Does anyone agree with me?

In Persona Christe
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i think there is a time and place for the image of an aborted baby.

the first time i showed a picture of an aborted baby to some students (i warned them beforehand), they finally understood what the pro-life movement truly was about. it drove the point home in a way that no other image would have.

[InPersonaChriste]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1301429876' post='2224335']
It would be. Her injustice upon her injustice. What if 500 women out of tens of thousands did see the signs and didn't have abortions because they realized that abortion is a butchering murder?



Such photos would not likely convey the message effectively. If one did, with the family's permission, or with the identifiable portions blurred out, it would be morally licit.

~Sternhauser
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Could this not be shown in an ultrasound or in all this fancy technology. I am just wondering if their is a plausable solution to showing men and women the growth of a baby without the butchered pictures.
If they could be informed and then able to make the choice, THAT seems more fair then shoving the images in eachothers faces.

In Personae Christe

[InPersonaChriste]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1301430123' post='2224340']
i think there is a time and place for the image of an aborted baby.

the first time i showed a picture of an aborted baby to some students (i warned them beforehand), they finally understood what the pro-life movement truly was about. it drove the point home in a way that no other image would have.
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that makes sense though becuse you obviously explained it.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1301429163' post='2224325']Showing dismembered children doesn't allow anyone any wiggle room about what abortion is. It defies denial. It is murder. Of innocent babies. [/quote]
agreed. as i said, when students of mine saw those images, they could no longer pretend that they were on the fence (as it were) about abortion. once they saw those images, they knew they had to take a side.

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='InPersonaChriste' timestamp='1301429870' post='2224334']
I do agree with you but (hahah I know your going to kill me for continuing the argument.. :D)

[b]Do you think that showing the image of an ultrasound as efficient? [/b]I want the babies to be respected, not objectified as they are human beings.
[/quote]

I honestly do not know? I could never kill a child, I could never kill an animal, unless it were for food. I would hope that a woman who would see the life stirring in her, no longer able to somehow in the deepest recesses of her mind lay it off as an ache or possibly gas or a tummy rumbling, I would pray a woman who sees the face and digits and toes of the life she is carrying, sees the heart beating and watches the feet kicking, would come to the understanding that this child is nothing less than part of her, and that no matter how the child was conceived that it was meant to be alive through the grace of God.

ed

[Nihil Obstat]

I believe that I saw a conversion to pro-life because of those images.
I don't like them; they upset me. However, I believe there's a time and a place.