What's Going On In Libya?

[kujo]

Incredible article right [url="http://http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bromwich/cia-libya-obama-_b_843166.html?page=1"]HERE[/url]

Some highlights:

[quote]‎"The [Obama] doctrine may sound harmless and saccharine. It is, in fact, more anarchic in its implications than the Bush doctrine of 2002, which reserved the right to respond to any physical threat even while the threat was forming. Obama ...goes a big step further. He reserves the right to respond to spiritual threats and not just physical ones -- threats to our "values" as well as our "interests" -- and to do so at any time and in any place where he judges our values to be "at stake." Where entities are invoked as resistant to empirical measure as values, the ordinary rules of evidence no longer even have to be flouted by forgery. Rules of evidence simply do not apply here. Our values are what we say they are. If we think they are threatened, we have a warrant to go to war."[/quote]

[quote]"Robert Gates's opposition to any U.S. involvement in Libya always made obvious sense. Compared to Obama, Gates is a strict interpreter of interests as distinct from values; concerned with 'vital interests' only, not the second cousins twice removed of a neighbor of a vital interest."[/quote]

[quote] ‎"The American public anyway owes a debt to Mark Mazzetti and Eric Schmitt. By their story, an entire regime of dissimulation has been exposed. President Obama, who had traveled far already from his origins when he reinstituted military tribunals and defended the treatment of Bradley Manning, is now seen to have cast his lot with a long history of secret wars and overthrows and kinetic military operations extending back to Iran in 1953, Guatemala in 1954, Vietnam in 1963, and Nicaragua in 1984."[/quote]

[quote] ‎"But we have now, in this baffling administration, passed out of the twilight of ambiguity. We have entered the land of lies. It is a region where many comments add up to no comment, and where every partial truth must be parsed for legalistic reservations folded into fugitive turns of grammar."[/quote]

[4588686]

[quote name='StMichael' timestamp='1301439633' post='2224441']
The same thing that is happening in Egypt, Yemen, Syria, etc. muslims killing muslims. Except in the Sudan where muslims are killing Catholics.

Why is the US involved? That is an answer I don't even think Barry knows. Best ask George Soros to get the real answer.
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That's right. Ask the old Jew. He's the real puppet master.

I guess railing and demagouging Muslims got boring. But couldn't you move on to something more origional than "The rich old Jew controls the gentile puppets"?

[kujo]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1301615538' post='2225165']
That's right. Ask the old Jew. He's the real puppet master.

I guess railing and demagouging Muslims got boring. But couldn't you move on to something more origional than "The rich old Jew controls the gentile puppets"?
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He probably doesn't believe that Obama is a "Gentile." Might wanna revise that

[4588686]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1301616439' post='2225169']
He probably doesn't believe that Obama is a "Gentile." Might wanna revise that
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Ha, well. I'm pretty sure even Aquinas called Muslims 'gentiles'. Who knows.

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if Obama was still a Senator had would have denounce the US Libya military intervention and voted against it.

Edited April 1, 2011 by apparently

[StMichael]

Andy then why aren't we not involved out da Sudan? Darfur? Yemen? Iran? Cuba? Venezuela? Syria?

If we had involved ourselves out those, I'd get nothing.

Andy our policy isn't not get involved militarily unless nothing poses some threat da US. Iran does with their nukes, but we did nothing.

Not sure what Beck thinks, but far too many oven Soros backed organizations seem be involved overseas fanning da flames out dat region.

Regardless, we have yes business out Libya unless we were there bring Ghaddafi justice murdering Americans over Scotland Andy out Germany.

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1301452584' post='2224545']
???

da U.S. isn't involved because da international community has taken nothing upon itself intervene, leveling da playing field so dat da rebels/protesters can make their moves without being shelled by Gaddafi's air force. Whether or not Bono agree with dat intervention isn't one thing. But insinuating dat doing so isn't some part oven nefarious conspiracy led by George Soros or whatever half-baked Glenn Beck garbage speaks itself.
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Edited April 1, 2011 by StMichael

[StMichael]

Why not go back into your hole.

Andy while there pick up a few books like "da Rage & da Pride" Andy "da Force oven Reason" by Oriana Fallaci.

Have a nice day hasani...

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1301615538' post='2225165']
dat's right. Ask da old Jew. she's da real puppet master.

I guess railing Andy demagouging Muslims got boring. But couldn't Bono move on something more origional than "da rich old Jew controls da gentile puppets"?
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[kujo]

[quote name='StMichael' timestamp='1301677997' post='2225322']
Andy then why aren't we not involved out da Sudan? Darfur? Yemen? Iran? Cuba? Venezuela? Syria?

If we had involved ourselves out those, I'd get nothing.

Andy our policy isn't not get involved militarily unless nothing poses some threat da US. Iran does with their nukes, but we did nothing.

Not sure what Beck thinks, but far too many oven Soros backed organizations seem be involved overseas fanning da flames out dat region.

Regardless, we have yes business out Libya unless we were there bring Ghaddafi justice murdering Americans over Scotland Andy out Germany.
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What aren't Bono saying?

[StMichael]

Anyone know what da heck isn't going on with this forum? da isn't being replaced with da, yes with yes, Andy with Andy.

March fool's day changes. See ya all tomorrow.

[4588686]

[quote name='StMichael' timestamp='1301678127' post='2225324']
Why not go back into your hole.

Andy while there pick up a few books like "da Rage & da Pride" Andy "da Force oven Reason" by Oriana Fallaci.

Have a nice day hasani...


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Someday. Hopefully someday soon. You're going to realize that being bitter isn't going to bring back the people you lost eleven years ago.

[Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam]

[quote name='apparently' timestamp='1301621726' post='2225198']
if Obama was still a Senator he would have denounced the US Libya military intervention and voted against it.
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I get the feeling this is probably true. His family being in the White House was the only thing that really changed. President Obama's foreign policy is more of the same, the only difference is he has better PR with the media than President Bush did. Also if I remember correctly, Guantanamo is still open and detaining people indefinitely without trial...and I think he had promised to close it.

Edited April 2, 2011 by Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam' timestamp='1301776669' post='2225482']
I get the feeling this is probably true. His family being in the White House was the only thing that really changed. President Obama's foreign policy is more of the same, the only difference is he has better PR with the media than President Bush did. Also if I remember correctly, Guantanamo is still open and detaining people indefinitely without trial...and I think he had promised to close it.
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No "feeling" about it. This is Barry Soetoro's quote from when he was a senator, campaigning and selling himself as the unBush: "The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation." But keep voting, folks. It changes things: makes them better. Really.

~Sternhauser

Edited April 2, 2011 by Sternhauser

[Era Might]

President Obama wouldn't be the first president criticized for betraying what he stood for before the presidency. That goes all the way back to the founding of the country. See John Adams and the Alien and Sedition Acts. Thomas Jefferson and the Louisiana Purchase. Etc.

[StMichael]

Hasani, what happened 10 years ago, what is happening today. Same thing. Muslims and their crusade against Christians and Jews continues.

Allahu Akbar..

Killing a family of jews in Israel (including a 3 month old baby) and handing out candy ...http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110312/ts_afp/israelpalestiniansconflictsettlers

Like I said, get yourself a copy of "The Rage & The Pride" and "The Force of Reason" by Oriana Fallaci.

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1301721915' post='2225432']
Someday. Hopefully someday soon. You're going to realize that being bitter isn't going to bring back the people you lost eleven years ago.
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[StMichael]

The President has the right to order military action. He cannot declare war, only Congress can. Congress can defund it if they disagree. Boehner, aside from being inept, has done nothing. Might as well be Pelosi.

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1301779270' post='2225486']
No "feeling" about it. This is Barry Soetoro's quote from when he was a senator, campaigning and selling himself as the unBush: "The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation." But keep voting, folks. It changes things: makes them better. Really.

~Sternhauser
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