4588686 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 [quote name='Lilllabettt' timestamp='1300819956' post='2222369'] You know for some people, its always going to be darned if you do, darned if you don't. Remember Rwanda? That happened right after Somalia, so none of the western powers wanted to get involved. There was a lot of shame and blame and pointed fingers when all the white people left and the stronger side used machetes on civilians. Because it was a civil war and none of our business. Yeah, they even made a movie about it. Hotel Rwanda, check it out, it will make you angry at Belgians especially. Belgian waffles +10 , Belgians in Rwanda -1000000 People are STILL pointing fingers at the west for its inaction in Darfur. So here we have another African country led by a bonafide psychopathic dictator who personally ordered the bombing of a US civilian airplane and is now "punishing" residents of cities that happen to have fallen into rebel hands. Whether or not you are a rebel yourself, if you live in these areas you are guilty and belong in one of the mass graves they have been showing on PBS. So here's the million dollar questions: Are the American pigs going to sit on their selfish hands and let another massacre go down in Africa because they don't want to risk their assets where they have no mercenary interest? Or are the American pigs going to intervene and force their imperial lusts on a vulnerable country as it struggles to determine its own future? Darned if you do, darned if you dont. [/quote] Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted March 22, 2011 Author Share Posted March 22, 2011 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1300793064' post='2222286'] This is quite possibly a stupid war. Everyone screwed around and delayed until Kadafi had the upper hand against the rebels. If they wanted to aid the rebels then they should have joined in early. I hope they have someone in mind, already. Either way, the US will still end up footing the bill. We foot the bill with the UN, but Dear Leader thinks that by letting France strike first suddenly the other nations won't turn out their empty pockets and make all sad facey. [/quote] Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. If only President Obama had paid a little more attention to a prophetic movie from 1994: [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v611/eremite_85/Poster.jpg[/IMG] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Cynicism is boring. The "its all about the oil" thing is stale and boring too. If it was all about the oil, the easy thing to do would be to cut a deal with whatever dictator is in charge (like say the shah), and then enjoy the price stability offered by the iron grip he has over his country. If it was all about the oil, the easy thing to do would be to attack and destroy any populist leadership aspiring to establish a new, unpredictable government (like say Mossadeq) The oil thing is just out of date. You should watch the news. The Pentagon complains in public, that we have no strategic interest in Libya. Obama then has to make up something about how we do. This operation is about western guilt. And well it should be, we are guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 [quote name='Lilllabettt' timestamp='1300819956' post='2222369'] You know for some people, its always going to be darned if you do, darned if you don't. Remember Rwanda? That happened right after Somalia, so none of the western powers wanted to get involved. There was a lot of shame and blame and pointed fingers when all the white people left and the stronger side used machetes on civilians. Because it was a civil war and none of our business. Yeah, they even made a movie about it. Hotel Rwanda, check it out, it will make you angry at Belgians especially. Belgian waffles +10 , Belgians in Rwanda -1000000 People are STILL pointing fingers at the west for its inaction in Darfur. So here we have another African country led by a bonafide psychopathic dictator who personally ordered the bombing of a US civilian airplane and is now "punishing" residents of cities that happen to have fallen into rebel hands. Whether or not you are a rebel yourself, if you live in these areas you are guilty and belong in one of the mass graves they have been showing on PBS.[/quote] Hotel Rwanda is lame, as is "Sometimes in April." Both are just works of fiction excreted by Hollywood. Don't believe me, ask Jean Pierre Rucogoza, a 47-year-old university lecturer and genocide survivor. [quote]So here's the million dollar questions: Are the American pigs going to sit on their selfish hands and let another massacre go down in Africa because they don't want to risk their assets where they have no mercenary interest? Or are the American pigs going to intervene and force their imperial lusts on a vulnerable country as it struggles to determine its own future? Darned if you do, darned if you dont. [/quote] I don't think your oversimplification holds much water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1300826585' post='2222411'] Surely you understand that Rwanda has almost zero oil. [/quote] You do realize that the U.S. imports about 44,000 barrels of oil a day to the U.S., or less than 1% of its total oil imports, right? The Chinese, French and British all import WAY more than that. And the oil in Libya is "owned" accordingly, with European and Asian companies owning most of the refineries. And while Libya is certainly the most oil-rich country in Africa, our financial stakes are not currently embedded there, to a large degree. So you can keep your cynical, Michael Moore-nonsense in your fat head, mmk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2011-03-10-libyaoil10_ST_N.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 haha, kujo's pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1300826585' post='2222411'] [img]http://www.mreinfo.com/images/us/hdr-41.jpg[/img] [/quote] Dude, they have pop-tarts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1300835736' post='2222463'] So you can keep your cynical, Michael Moore-nonsense in your fat head, mmk? [/quote] That's pretty inappropriate. Is being against war that utterly unacceptable to your worldview? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1300838191' post='2222474'] That's pretty inappropriate. Is being against war that utterly unacceptable to your worldview? [/quote] iawtc. I hereby diss you for being mean. pop-tarts? Edited March 23, 2011 by Laudate_Dominum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1300839478' post='2222483'] pop-tarts? [/quote] Pop-tarts are made out of pesticide and puppies and CO[sub]2[/sub] emissions. Edited March 23, 2011 by Nihil Obstat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1300838191' post='2222474'] That's pretty inappropriate. Is being against war that utterly unacceptable to your worldview? [/quote] I agree with the sentiment, but picking on Stern's hydrocephaly isn't kosher. kujo ain't Jewish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1300838191' post='2222474'] That's pretty inappropriate. Is being against war that utterly unacceptable to your worldview? [/quote] Stern being anti-war, in and of itself, isn't why kujo annoyed, I would venture to guess. Edited March 23, 2011 by Hasan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1300793064' post='2222286'] This is quite possibly a stupid war. Everyone screwed around and delayed until Kadafi had the upper hand against the rebels. If they wanted to aid the rebels then they should have joined in early. I hope they have someone in mind, already. Either way, the US will still end up footing the bill. We foot the bill with the UN, but Dear Leader thinks that by letting France strike first suddenly the other nations won't turn out their empty pockets and make all sad facey. [/quote] Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 "sad facey" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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