Liturgical Rap Music

[cmotherofpirl]

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Now, I don't want you guys thinking that I'm hoping for this to happen some day.
I just want to see opinions and stuff.

Please be clear on your opinion as to what you think on the topic itself. Why, why not... It's great to get this ball rollin.

.AMDG.

"The Liturgy is to supposed to transform us, not the other way around."
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THe liturgy DOES transform us, because there we receive Jesus Christ. Rap music is NOT transforming, it is entertaining: we do not go to Mass to be entertained. It is totally unacceptable.
Fater Stan is an amesome God-filled priest and you were NEVER find him rapping at Mass

http://www.francescoproductions.com/

[Papist]

I've seen and heard some eccentric liturgical ideas, but this one is way out there.

In his General Audience of February 26, 2003, Pope John Paul II reminded us that "one must pray to God not only with theologically precise formulas, but also in a beautiful and dignified way." For this reason, he said, "the Christian community must make an examination of conscience so that the beauty of music and song will return increasingly to the liturgy."

Rap music is not dignified. The very fact that you admit a warning must be posted and the time should be inconspicuous should be answer enough.

What would be the point or purpose of Rap in the Liturgy?

Edited March 24, 2011 by Papist

[dUSt]

I think the phatmass explanation on our "About Us" page sums up my opinion pretty well:

[quote]Phatmass produces Catholic hip-hop music as a creative method of communication to the youth and urban culture. [color="#FF0000"][size="5"][b]*Phatmass is strongly opposed to advocating the use of hip-hop in the liturgy, as we do not feel it properly creates an atmosphere of reverence conducive to prayer.[/b][/size][/color][/quote]

In other words, I think hip-hop is a great communication tool. With a Catholic message, I think it can provide wholesome entertainment. It's a great way to reach some people who would otherwise not listen. A good way to introduce ideas and spark interest in the Church and her teachings, etc etc.

It is NOT good for the liturgy. It does not create a reverent atmosphere. It does not promote silence. It does not help people concentrate on the Eucharist. It is a distraction. It is a form of music that commands attention--that requires the listener to focus on the music. It is no good for mass--period.

[Vincent Vega]

Cool, we have two debate tables now??
Oh wait...

[Selah]

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Cool, we have two debate tables now??
Oh wait...
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lol. Usually there are about 5 sub-debates in a debate thread

[hope4thenew]

dizzy gillespie was one of the first be-bop rappers...i'm serious

[Ephrem Augustine]

I have often thought that perhaps a rap in the homily could possibly be acceptable.

anyways, i did give a few presentations, and said my hip hop is liturgically inspired... that is the liturgies, the scriptural proclamations, the cycle of seasons inspire my music, however, i never ever ever write a song that could be used as liturgical music as such. I do, further propose, that it my music ought never be used as liturgical music.

Aside from it not having the character of sacred music...

I always imagined that should it ever actually happen, all the fairy seventies grandmas trying to clap their hands in rhythm would feel really proud of themselves, while most real hip hop heads would think it was retarded, and be more turned off by church as a result.

Edited May 9, 2011 by Ephrem Augustine

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

lets stick with the hymns, ancient,modern and post modern. There is a non-denominational maori ministry i have heard of in queensland that raps at there service, there are many levels of holiness below god and the holy mass being the sacrements and mass being the holiest hieghts on earth, i assume this maori non denominational ministry has converted the gospels to rhyme or possibly they just come up with a rap sermon or something,i don't know really. The gospels converted to rhyme or any other series of verses or books from the holy bible i believe is exceptable as long as the words reflect the truth and don't detract from the holy word which is already poetic, still i would be somewhat aghast if it appeared in the holy mass unless authorised by the vatican even than would be kind of timid about it but than it would still be the same holy priest hood and same holy eucharist,JC "hell will never overcome the church."(not that rapping and hiphop beats are hellish), but lets just stay with the hymns (ancient,modern and post modern/charasmatic) in the mass and hiphop/rap for recreation.

God bless you all
JC "seek and ye shall find,knock and the door will be opened."

St francessca cabrini "one whom dares nothing recieves nothing,a missionary must be fearless."
St mary mackillop of the cross "be eager in your desires but patient in there accomplishment."

[DMcB]

The first thing that popped into my mind was "Moses" reading Ice T's "Cop Killer" lyrics...just goes to show how backwards some minds work. Next thing that popped into mind was, "only if they're rappin' in Latin."

Finally, no thanks...I'll take Mass just the way it is; and I'm just thankful that it is in my local vernacular.

[Ephrem Augustine]

I actually think that if there were rap music IN the liturgy, it would be so gimmicky, that Hip Hop heads would not actually be interested. I don't feel or think it would draw people in.

[Nola Seminarian]

Catholic rap, i dig it. At Mass, however, it would be a travesty because it is too secular. Its amesome that rap is being "baptized" like this because i now have some music that i can listen too without being scandalized, but we shouldn't try to imitate the pop culture in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.