Th0t Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 [i][b][font="Georgia"][color="#4b0082"]Vote and reply with your response![/color][/font][/b][/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 can't be used in any church setting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudreyGrace Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 i'm all for Catholic rap and such... just not in Mass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnavarro61 Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 not in Mass please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Worse than Haugen and Canedo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I think it should be permitted, but "the rap Mass" has to be advertised as such, so no one walks in all unsuspecting. And it should be scheduled in an unholy time slot - like 10:30 p.m. on Friday. But everybody still has to pull their pantaloons up over their butts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 [quote name='Luigi' timestamp='1300684120' post='2222032'] I think it should be permitted, but "the rap Mass" has to be advertised as such, so no one walks in all unsuspecting. And it should be scheduled in an unholy time slot - like 10:30 p.m. on Friday. But everybody still has to pull their pantaloons up over their butts. [/quote] Definitely not. It should not be permitted for any reason. Never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureSister2009 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 During my senior year of high school, we had a retreat and the priest who was our speaker for it was named Father Stan. He was a Rapping Priest. Yes he Rapped for us. He has CDs and everything. But he also said Mass for us and he did not Rap at Mass but still. He was really amesome. Everyone enjoyed him. I'll never forget that retreat. One of the best I've ever been on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 [quote name='FutureSister2009' timestamp='1300719652' post='2222068'] During my senior year of high school, we had a retreat and the priest who was our speaker for it was named Father Stan. He was a Rapping Priest. Yes he Rapped for us. He has CDs and everything. But he also said Mass for us and he did not Rap at Mass but still. He was really amesome. Everyone enjoyed him. I'll never forget that retreat. One of the best I've ever been on. [/quote] Rapping is fine on its own. If you're into that, then great. However, it is entirely inappropriate for Mass, as this Father Stan probably realized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudreyGrace Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1300634285' post='2221927'] Worse than Haugen and Canedo. [/quote] ipso facto, All are welcome, all are welcome, all are welcome in this place, Nihil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th0t Posted March 23, 2011 Author Share Posted March 23, 2011 Now, I don't want you guys thinking that I'm hoping for this to happen some day. I just want to see opinions and stuff. Please be clear on your opinion as to what you think on the topic itself. Why, why not... It's great to get this ball rollin. .AMDG. "The Liturgy is to supposed to transform us, not the other way around." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 [quote name='Th0t' timestamp='1300910031' post='2222709'] Now, I don't want you guys thinking that I'm hoping for this to happen some day. I just want to see opinions and stuff. Please be clear on your opinion as to what you think on the topic itself. Why, why not... It's great to get this ball rollin. .AMDG. "The Liturgy is to supposed to transform us, not the other way around." [/quote] Rap music has no sacred character, therefore would be unacceptable for liturgical use. Sacred music is intended to lift our minds and hearts in prayer and more specifically worship, in a liturgical setting. By the very nature of rap, it does not do this, nor can it. Sacred music has a sacred character primarily, and the most minute detail reflects this, from modal structures to its vocal emphasis and lack of meter, to the words themselves. Rap is secular primarily, and if it happens to have a spiritual/devotional aspect, that is secondary. When I say sacred music of course, I am referring to sacred polyphony, and better still, chant. I consider the current praise and worship which is in vogue to be every bit as inappropriate in the liturgy. "Catholic rap" might ask you to pray; sacred music is prayer in every aspect. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf1td_BJLDQ[/media] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven77 Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1300912375' post='2222722'] Rap music has no sacred character, therefore would be unacceptable for liturgical use. Sacred music is intended to lift our minds and hearts in prayer and more specifically worship, in a liturgical setting. By the very nature of rap, it does not do this, nor can it. Sacred music has a sacred character primarily, and the most minute detail reflects this, from modal structures to its vocal emphasis and lack of meter, to the words themselves. Rap is secular primarily, and if it happens to have a spiritual/devotional aspect, that is secondary. When I say sacred music of course, I am referring to sacred polyphony, and better still, chant. I consider the current praise and worship which is in vogue to be every bit as inappropriate in the liturgy. "Catholic rap" might ask you to pray; sacred music is prayer in every aspect. [/quote] I would agree that rap has no sacred character and is unacceptable for liturgical use (duh). Sacred liturgical music is ordered to the liturgy, a heavenly action. There are set rubrics and everything ensuring that liturgical music is heavenly elevation, timeless and ever new. But i would disagree that rap cannot lift our minds and hearts in prayer. It can be holy poetry--it can even lead to holy tears. Hip-hop has lead me to intense prayer. It can become a prayer. For the Christian, everything can become sacred. Btw, if it were not for the Holy Mass hip-hop would be so much rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven77 Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 [quote name='AudreyGrace' timestamp='1300747758' post='2222165'] ipso facto, All are welcome, all are welcome, all are welcome in this place, Nihil. [/quote] i can't stand that song. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/brickwall.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 [quote name='Seven77' timestamp='1300930340' post='2222832'] I would agree that rap has no sacred character and is unacceptable for liturgical use (duh). Sacred liturgical music is ordered to the liturgy, a heavenly action. There are set rubrics and everything ensuring that liturgical music is heavenly elevation, timeless and ever new. But i would disagree that rap cannot lift our minds and hearts in prayer. It can be holy poetry--it can even lead to holy tears. Hip-hop has lead me to intense prayer. It can become a prayer. For the Christian, everything can become sacred. Btw, if it were not for the Holy Mass hip-hop would be so much rubbish. [/quote] I thought about that particular statement for a while, and wasn't convinced if I should leave it or not. My own conclusion is that if 'hip hop' does lift one to prayer, it's doing so in spite of the music, not because of it. In the sense that the person rapping might be charismatic, but is such aside from the music itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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