Seven77 Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Some people do not have the privilege to worry about such things... we're busy praying up storms whilst making sure to say 'he' and 'him." Re-reading the OF Prefaces after OF Mass---because you want to---is a good idea. Oh, and we have to supplement the homily in our heads. Nothing like some good 'ol rigorous Holy Spirit exercise on Sunday morning! [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/like.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrestia Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 (edited) Nihil Obstat & Moosey, don't take what I say personally. My experiences with a small handful of people have colored my views. Most of the people that attended the FSSP parish with me were fantastic, and a few were/are irritatingly prideful. If the fantastic people felt called to pray in Latin at a different church, I probably wouldn't notice or care. In my limited experience, people who are prideful are prideful about lots of things, not just language of prayer. Edited March 5, 2011 by tgoldson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 [quote name='tgoldson' timestamp='1299361673' post='2218338'] [b] [/b] Nihil Obstat & Moosey, don't take what I say personally. My experiences with a small handful of people have colored my views. Most of the people that attended the FSSP parish with me were fantastic, and a few were/are irritatingly prideful. If the fantastic people felt called to pray in Latin at a different church, I probably wouldn't notice or care. In my limited experience, people who are prideful are prideful about lots of things, not just language of prayer. <h3 class="clearfix"></h3> [/quote] Unfortunately I've met just as many prideful Catholics who go to N.O. Masses. It's not a problem peculiar to traditionalists, however it is in a way the stereotypical traditionalist fault, earned or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosey Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 [quote name='tgoldson' timestamp='1299361673' post='2218338'] Nihil Obstat & Moosey, don't take what I say personally. My experiences with a small handful of people have colored my views. Most of the people that attended the FSSP parish with me were fantastic, and a few were/are irritatingly prideful. If the fantastic people felt called to pray in Latin at a different church, I probably wouldn't notice or care. In my limited experience, people who are prideful are prideful about lots of things, not just language of prayer. [/quote] I don't doubt your experiences with traddies. I have the same experiences in my own Latin Mass community. It really is a cryin shame. Let me just say for those who might be reading this, those prideful people don't represent the Latin Mass group as a whole. Thanks for clarifying tgoldson I dig where you're coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosey Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1299361804' post='2218339'] Unfortunately I've met just as many prideful Catholics who go to N.O. Masses. It's not a problem peculiar to traditionalists, however it is in a way the stereotypical traditionalist fault, earned or not. [/quote] This too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrestia Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1299361804' post='2218339'] Unfortunately I've met just as many prideful Catholics who go to N.O. Masses. It's not a problem peculiar to traditionalists, however it is in a way the stereotypical traditionalist fault, earned or not. [/quote] It's a problem with humanity. I've never heard that traditionalists as a group are supposed to be more prideful than anyone else. That notion seems a little silly to me. Back to the topic, I rarely hear about Catholics go to FSSP parishes and praying in English. Is it really a one sided issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamomile Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 I think the most important thing is to be present - I mean spiritually - at any Mass you go to. Maybe for some people, this is how they are able to be more present at an OF Mass, where they might otherwise feel out of place spiritually. I know I often feel that way at the OF Mass in comparison to the EF. This is my personal opinion, by the way! Just a statement of the way I relate to God. I also feel out of place at a Divine Liturgy, even though I think it's beautiful... Anyways, that might be one reason why they're doing it. I guess if someone thinks it is disrespectful, and is seriously upset about it and concerned for that person, they could always ask them about it after Mass to find out more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 [quote name='tgoldson' timestamp='1299362409' post='2218350'] It's a problem with humanity. I've never heard that traditionalists as a group are supposed to be more prideful than anyone else. That notion seems a little silly to me. Back to the topic, I rarely hear about Catholics go to FSSP parishes and praying in English. Is it really a one sided issue? [/quote] When I go to the EF I follow the Latin, but mentally pray in English, because I'm not yet familiar with the prayers. However, to pray out loud in English I think would be somewhat inappropriate, because use of the vernacular in the EF is not permitted. This isn't true at the OF though. The OF can legitimately be said in Latin or the vernacular, and in fact Latin is the preferred form. Also I'm very familiar with the prayers at the OF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrestia Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 [quote name='Chamomile' timestamp='1299363041' post='2218358'] I think the most important thing is to be present - I mean spiritually - at any Mass you go to. Maybe for some people, this is how they are able to be more present at an OF Mass, where they might otherwise feel out of place spiritually. I know I often feel that way at the OF Mass in comparison to the EF. This is my personal opinion, by the way! Just a statement of the way I relate to God. I also feel out of place at a Divine Liturgy, even though I think it's beautiful... Anyways, that might be one reason why they're doing it. I guess if someone thinks it is disrespectful, and is seriously upset about it and concerned for that person, they could always ask them about it after Mass to find out more [/quote] That's amesome. I feel comfortable at both, and I guess I'm lucky for that. I love love love that my OF church routinely chants in Latin. Panis Angelicus is practically our church anthem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 [quote name='Chamomile' timestamp='1299342797' post='2218238'] Oh yay - now I can ask someone about this! So do you pray the entire Mass? What do you do about different feast days? Do you listen to the NO readings or do you read the EF readings while those are going on? Like I said, I think I would be totally confused if I tried to do this, and I probably wouldn't end up having a very prayerful Mass. But I'm curious as to how others do it... [/quote] Woot! My ideal would be to have enough time before the OF Mass to meditatively read the EF propers but this usually isn't the case. Anyway, I don't recommend that others do what I do. My thing started because I really struggle with the OF and I don't know if I'd call it the best thing. If there were an EF parish in my diocese I'd just go to that every Mass and never do this again. In my current situation this practice helps me enter into the Mass of the day and keeps me focused. To answer your questions, I always listen to the OF readings and have certain parts where I slip in the EF readings, for example during a drawn out showtunes style responsorial psalm. A lot of the specifics depend on the parish and exactly how they do things. The more drawn out Haugen-Haas interludes the better. Sometimes I manage to pray the entire ordinary but if you try to match where you're at the in missal with the equivalent of where the priest it at in the OF you'll be skipping a lot and if the priest chooses Eucharistic Prayer II you'll be like halfway through the Suscipe Sancte Pater during the consecration. With a fussy toddler in the mix I'm usually content to just pray the propers and hit a few highlights in the ordinary. If I were at a super fast OF Mass with no music I doubt I'd bother with the ordinary. If I were a stickler about doing the whole missal every time I imagine it could become a distraction instead of an aid. And no, I don't ignore the OF Mass nor do I ignore the homily, as tempting as this can be at times. About feast days and stuff, well, I always do whatever is the EF Mass for the day period. That's kind of the point for me. I consider myself to be a devotee of the EF and that is the liturgical calendar and lectionary that I follow. There are some OF feasts that overlap quite a bit with the EF in the readings and thing but there are always differences in the propers; and of course the ordinary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Double standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 So if I went to an EF its perfectly fine for me to use the OF and respond in english - good I 'll remember that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Noel's angel' timestamp='1299443437' post='2218577'] Double standards. [/quote] I disagree. But this isn't a debate. Someone asked me a somewhat personal question and I responded. I'm not saying that you or anyone else has to understand it or approve. [quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1299463877' post='2218676'] So if I went to an EF its perfectly fine for me to use the OF and respond in english - good I 'll remember that. [/quote] That's not an altogether accurate comparison. I don't use the EF and respond in Latin. Generally I dovetail the EF propers in during periods of silence or during musical performances that often have nothing to do with the Mass. And I don't know where you get the responding in English thing from; I never said I do OF responses in Latin. Not that it is your concern, but generally I don't do audible responses at all at the OF or EF, so what? But perhaps you're just being snide and I'm wasting my time even responding. But it is surely a less than ideal situation and I simply find it more tolerable and edifying than the alternative of leaving the EF missal at home. If you have a blast at your neighborhood OF then congratulations. P.S. Flamebait? Edited March 7, 2011 by Laudate_Dominum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilier98 Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Does it honestly matter what form of the mass you go to as long as you go to mass? Holy communion is still holy communion. The host is still undergoes transubstantiation. You still get the readings and a homily. You still attend mass and are in the presence of God and you still worship him. So really what does it matter what form of the mass you go to? As far as I know God does not prefer one form to the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 I don't think this thread is supposed to be a debate about the OF vs EF so I'm not going to touch that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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