Praying From Extraordinary Form Missal At Ordinary Form Mass

[Dave]

I know a few Traditional Latin Mass devotees who, if they attend an Ordinary Form Mass, will bring along their Extraordinary Form missal and pray the EF Mass prayers for that day (propers and ordinary alike). Is it just me, or does that seem rather disrespectful?

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Dave' timestamp='1299278114' post='2218007']
I know a few Traditional Latin Mass devotees who, if they attend an Ordinary Form Mass, will bring along their Extraordinary Form missal and pray the EF Mass prayers for that day (propers and ordinary alike). Is it just me, or does that seem rather disrespectful?
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I'd find that somewhat problematic.

I've started saying my responses in Latin, but I wouldn't want to say anything other than what's in the Missale.

[rkwright]

ha... I find that ironic coming from the say the black do the red crowd.

[Chamomile]

I've heard of this but don't know how it would really work... sometimes I don't even follow along in the Missal at the EF.

But I don't think "disrespectful" is the correct word. Not at all. They're doing something private and probably aren't causing anyone else any distraction. Disrespectful is completely changing the text (there are people at a parish I sometimes go to that do this to the responses to make the language nongendered...) or dressing in revealing clothes or laughing and talking loudly during Mass... basically, not respecting the prayerful atmosphere of Mass and making it very difficult for others to pray. So, not respecting God or your neighbor. If the person's just sitting there with their Latin Missal, that's between them and God, and they're probably doing it out of a desire to please Him more.

Unless the people you're referring to are actually loudly vocalizing the Latin prayers. But I really doubt that happens anywhere, since you aren't even supposed to respond loudly at the EF.

It would seem confusing to me to be praying something completely different than what the priest is praying, and then the calendars for the two forms are different, so you could be on two different feasts days [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif[/img]


[quote name='rkwright' timestamp='1299278722' post='2218014']
ha... I find that ironic coming from the say the black do the red crowd.
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I'm sure it's just a small percentage of people. I've never even seen it, and I've been to a lot of parishes in this area. Aren't we all in the say the black, do the red" crowd? Because that just means following the rubrics of the Mass... ?

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Dave' timestamp='1299278114' post='2218007']
I know a few Traditional Latin Mass devotees who, if they attend an Ordinary Form Mass, will bring along their Extraordinary Form missal and pray the EF Mass prayers for that day (propers and ordinary alike).[/quote]
This is what I do when I go to the OF.

[quote name='Dave' timestamp='1299278114' post='2218007']Is it just me, or does that seem rather disrespectful?
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What I do isn't disrespectful imo. Can't say I care much what other people think. I'm usually in the back of the Church juggling my baby and my missal these days anyway so I don't know who would be paying attention to it in the first place.

edit: dubble post?

Edited March 5, 2011 by Laudate_Dominum

[Lil Red]

so nice you had to say it twice?

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1299296716' post='2218094']
so nice you had to say it twice?
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That was really weird. It took forever to finish posting and then it was doubled... Whoa. What does it mean?

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1299297063' post='2218098']
That was really weird. It took forever to finish posting and then it was doubled... Whoa. What does it mean?
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that you live outside the omniverse?

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1299297227' post='2218099']
that you live outside the omniverse?
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+10 for mentioning the omniverse. I'm happy now.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='rkwright' timestamp='1299278722' post='2218014']
ha... I find that ironic coming from the say the black do the red crowd.
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If you're at the Novus Ordo, the black is the N.O. text.
(Which is, IMO, very much flawed extrinsically, but that's well beside the point of the debate.)

That being said, L_D is a lot smarter than me, and I defer with much respect to his opinion.

[Chamomile]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1299296432' post='2218092']
This is what I do when I go to the OF.
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Oh yay - now I can ask someone about this!

So do you pray the entire Mass? What do you do about different feast days? Do you listen to the NO readings or do you read the EF readings while those are going on?

Like I said, I think I would be totally confused if I tried to do this, and I probably wouldn't end up having a very prayerful Mass. But I'm curious as to how others do it...

[Adrestia]

[quote name='Dave' timestamp='1299278114' post='2218007']
I know a few Traditional Latin Mass devotees who, if they attend an Ordinary Form Mass, will bring along their Extraordinary Form missal and pray the EF Mass prayers for that day (propers and ordinary alike). Is it just me, or does that seem rather disrespectful?
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Sounds like a no-no.

loosely related analogy:

Back when I lived in the ATL, I attended Mass held in a multi-use campus chapel. The place was looked like a train depot, no kneelers. We prettied it up for the Holy Sacrifice - plants, flowers, candles, icons, the works. Thing is - there were a lot of older people that had a really hard time kneeling b/c of the layout - their were oddly designed levels, so if a short person knelt they could hardly see. On the floor it would possible, but again older folks had trouble getting up and down b/c we had temporary chairs that moved easily - so they couldn't rely on them for support. The pastor got official permission to allow us to stand during the consecration.

What ended up happening was that folks at the morning Mass stayed standing - they were the older crowd. Folks at the evening Mass knelt - they were mostly younger. The pastor told us that as a community we were supposed to have a uniform standard. He actually asked me if I would submit to his authority and stand during the consecration if he, as pastor, told me to do so. I'm a little ashamed of my reply... I said that I knew he would never ask me to do something against the Holy Spirit, and that I felt the Holy Spirit calling me to fall on my knees. He never actually directed any of us to remain standing. Now that I'm older I realize that I should have replied that, as our pastor, he should direct us as the Holy Spirit guides him to and it is our duty to obey.

[Adrestia]

p.s. To me it reeks of pride, as if their prayers are better. I'm not trying to call the kettle black, I know I'm the pot. When I go to churches that replace "He" with "God" in recited prayers I always say He.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='tgoldson' timestamp='1299345602' post='2218251']
p.s. To me it reeks of pride, as if their prayers are better. I'm not trying to call the kettle black, I know I'm the pot. When I go to churches that replace "He" with "God" in recited prayers I always say He.
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It is not necessarily spiritual pride that leads us to those conclusions.

[Moosey]

[quote name='tgoldson' timestamp='1299345602' post='2218251']
p.s. To me it reeks of pride, as if their prayers are better. I'm not trying to call the kettle black, I know I'm the pot. When I go to churches that replace "He" with "God" in recited prayers I always say He.
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Like Nihil said, it's not that we are spiritually obstinate. It's just how we choose to pray. Some people get more out of the EF prayers than they do the OF prayers. It's merely a choice of prayer style than anything.