Canada Health Care To Starve Innocent Baby.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1300503107' post='2221658']

free market healthcare is one of the worst ideas in america. Jesus instructed us to help the sick. yet we refuse to help the sick because our system is ruined.
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The healthcare market in America is *anything* but free.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1300502782' post='2221656']
if your bill is 10,000 and you send 5 a month how long do you think it will take to pay it off. the hospitals will not let you set up a payment plan that you will finish paying off 166 years later. doesn't work that way.
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Yes it actuially does. One of the best friends daughter died of cancer and she has been paying $5 a month to each of the companies for about 20 years. If a company refuses payment the bill can be discharged, and they cannot call and harass you. After a year or two some of them simply wrote off the bill but she has continued to pay the rest.

[havok579257]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1300507305' post='2221674']
The healthcare market in America is *anything* but free.
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well you are right about that.

[havok579257]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1300511593' post='2221680']
Yes it actuially does. One of the best friends daughter died of cancer and she has been paying $5 a month to each of the companies for about 20 years. If a company refuses payment the bill can be discharged, and they cannot call and harass you. After a year or two some of them simply wrote off the bill but she has continued to pay the rest.
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i am not denying your claim. what i am saying is that it is the exception, not the rule. if every single person in america just sent 5 dollars a month for their bills the american medical system would go under. it needs money to run on and 5 dollars will only get them so far.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1300543138' post='2221715']
i am not denying your claim. what i am saying is that it is the exception, not the rule. if every single person in america just sent 5 dollars a month for their bills the american medical system would go under. it needs money to run on and 5 dollars will only get them so far.
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Actually it is the rule, but few people know about the laws relating to creditors.

[Jesus_lol]

why is it people talk about socialized medicine being unfair to doctors and the other people who are picking up the tab, then turn around and espouse the 5 dollar minimum payment as a good thing in america's current system? It is either not giving the companies an medical professionals the money they ''earned", or it is forcing other people to pick up the slack.

[Nihil Obstat]

All companies keep an allowance for doubtful accounts and a bad debt expense. It's part of the accounting process to write down their accounts receivable by the amount they expect to be unable to collect. After a certain amount of time has passed, they'll deem an account hopeless and actually write it off the books entirely. Or sell it to a collection agency.

[Ice_nine]

Dear World,

I think everyone should have access to affordable, quality healthcare.
Can someone please figure out how to do that?
Thanks in advance.

Sincerely,
Ice-9
XOXOXO

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Ice_nine' timestamp='1300560099' post='2221757']
Dear World,

I think everyone should have access to affordable, quality healthcare.
Can someone please figure out how to do that?
Thanks in advance.

Sincerely,
Ice-9
XOXOXO
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The free market can do it. To bad nobody was tried yet.

[Winchester]

So, who's becoming a doctor and providing free health care?

[emilier98]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1300577719' post='2221828']
So, who's becoming a doctor and providing free health care?
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I'm joining the Dominicans and I'll be a psychologist and I'll provide free and low cost mental health treatment.

Does that work?

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Ice_nine' timestamp='1300560099' post='2221757']
Dear World,

I think everyone should have access to affordable, quality healthcare.
Can someone please figure out how to do that?
Thanks in advance.

Sincerely,
Ice-9
XOXOXO
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We did! not so many years ago, but due to lack of resources and medical professionals it is rapidly declining. Peoples are dying on waiting lists for ops. I don't really know if the system just doesn't work or if it is due to government incompetence which seems to be on the agenda at the moment.

Edited March 21, 2011 by Mark of the Cross

[Ed Normile]

Audrey,
I am not trying to argue with you but you are wrong. No matter how you try to spin your argument you will not get turned down for healthcare or medications, [b]if [/b]you ask for help. I guess you did not even click on the links I posted, they would have shown you dozens of programs from dozens of different companies that will help with meds. I said you called me a liar, I guess you never did outright call me a liar, I took it that way from the sentence which I posted that your wrote, the one I bolded for clarification, the one where you said my claim was ridiculous. I already proved you wrong, I have nothing else to prove to you as you obviously refuse to acknowledge what is written before your eyes.

The thing I wrote about ask and you shall receive, that was to point out that you have to look for help sometimes, I remember an old saying, God helps those who help themselves. If I had a serious problem and they did not offer me help I would not just walk away desponded with a victim mentality, I would seek help, its out there if you look for it.

Someone mentioned the homeless in an inane attempt to bolster their argument here, in America there would be no homeless if they did not want to be homeless. There are shelters and programs to help these people, many do not want help. Many are mentally ill, the only option in their case would be to institutionalize these people, which would be akin to jailing them against their will. The homeless can apply to hundreds of government programs, there is even the ex President Jimmy Carter program Habitat for Humanity, all he asks is that you help build the house and spend some time volunteering on the building of another home, if you are physically able. I am no ex President Jimmy Carter fan, but he does help the homeless and this is a fine project, although he does not go out and force those who do not want or seek help to participate in his project. This is a free country, and part of that freedom is the right to live a self destructive lifestyle as long as it does not infringe on anothers personal freedoms.

I am sure there were those who thought that John the Baptist was mentally ill living in the desert and eating honey and locusts but that was his calling at the time, at least he was not forced into a mental institution for his own good. Throughout history there have been hermits and monks who have lived a life at their choice that would seem to those around them as mentally unstable, Joan of Arc was considered menatlly ill by those who persecuted her, I am sure that Saint Francis of Assisi was probably thought of the same way taking into consideration the life he forsook to live like a hermit, my point, who are we to judge if the homeless who want to live under a bridge and eat from a garbarge dumpster are crazy and lock them up. What I am trying to convey is that if any of these homeless want help, all they have to do is seek it, the same as any who need medical help need to do.


ed

[havok579257]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1301025326' post='2223120']
Audrey,
I am not trying to argue with you but you are wrong. No matter how you try to spin your argument you will not get turned down for healthcare or medications, [b]if [/b]you ask for help. I guess you did not even click on the links I posted, they would have shown you dozens of programs from dozens of different companies that will help with meds. I said you called me a liar, I guess you never did outright call me a liar, I took it that way from the sentence which I posted that your wrote, the one I bolded for clarification, the one where you said my claim was ridiculous. I already proved you wrong, I have nothing else to prove to you as you obviously refuse to acknowledge what is written before your eyes.

The thing I wrote about ask and you shall receive, that was to point out that you have to look for help sometimes, I remember an old saying, God helps those who help themselves. If I had a serious problem and they did not offer me help I would not just walk away desponded with a victim mentality, I would seek help, its out there if you look for it.

Someone mentioned the homeless in an inane attempt to bolster their argument here, in America there would be no homeless if they did not want to be homeless. There are shelters and programs to help these people, many do not want help. Many are mentally ill, the only option in their case would be to institutionalize these people, which would be akin to jailing them against their will. The homeless can apply to hundreds of government programs, there is even the ex President Jimmy Carter program Habitat for Humanity, all he asks is that you help build the house and spend some time volunteering on the building of another home, if you are physically able. I am no ex President Jimmy Carter fan, but he does help the homeless and this is a fine project, although he does not go out and force those who do not want or seek help to participate in his project. This is a free country, and part of that freedom is the right to live a self destructive lifestyle as long as it does not infringe on anothers personal freedoms.

I am sure there were those who thought that John the Baptist was mentally ill living in the desert and eating honey and locusts but that was his calling at the time, at least he was not forced into a mental institution for his own good. Throughout history there have been hermits and monks who have lived a life at their choice that would seem to those around them as mentally unstable, Joan of Arc was considered menatlly ill by those who persecuted her, I am sure that Saint Francis of Assisi was probably thought of the same way taking into consideration the life he forsook to live like a hermit, my point, who are we to judge if the homeless who want to live under a bridge and eat from a garbarge dumpster are crazy and lock them up. What I am trying to convey is that if any of these homeless want help, all they have to do is seek it, the same as any who need medical help need to do.


ed
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there would be no homeless problem if people did not want to be homeless. this has to be the most clueless statement in this thread. this shows a true lack of insite on the homelessness problem.

Edited March 25, 2011 by havok579257

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1301055023' post='2223167']
there would be no homeless problem if people did not want to be homeless. this has to be the most clueless statement in this thread. this shows a true lack of insite on the homelessness problem.
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Gee thank you for your kind words. I guess you are clueless to the many programs in each state, and every major city aimed at providing shelter and yes, even homes for homeless people? In my experience with homeless many refuse the help, they do not want to be tied to a home or program and actually choose to live on the streets or in the parks or homeless camps. Of course you with your vast experience with the homeless you probably should clue me in on the facts so I am no longer clueless about these people. I could always benefit from your [b]Insight.[/b]

ed