Canada Health Care To Starve Innocent Baby.

[Ed Normile]

Baby Joseph, an 18 month old baby with a medical condition that requires him to have a breathing tube in to stay alive, and the government of Canada has decided to stop his treatment as they have paid to much already, and want to let him die. The London Ontario hospital that the baby is in will not even perform a tracheotomy on the baby so he can go home with his parents to die with dignity as they can not justify the extra expense under Canada's rationed health care system. This baby is a pawn of Canada's cruel system of health care and soon to be a martyr to that very system. This family has already lost another child to Canada's health care system and is praying not to have it happen again, such are the sacrifices that must be made for universal health care, or socialized health care, however you define it, it still reeks of evil. We are soon to have more headlines as this as soon the great country of America, with the greatest health care system in the world, has recently been perverted by an slick talker who has scammed the majority of simple minded liberals who voted him into office into falling for this wonderful system of rationed health care where the very young and the very old and those who are not productive are not worth spending monies on so the producers can enjoy health care benefits. Here in America we do not allow the weak or old to die due to lack of funds, at least until health care/health care rationing takes effect. Pray for this family.
Below is from Father Frank Pavone.
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[center][size="6"][b]Save Baby Joseph![/b][/size][/center]
February 26, 2011

[img]http://express.imcomonline.com/admin/temp/newsletters/547/joseph.jpg[/img] Dear Ed,

There's an 18-month-old baby boy in Canada who is about to be put to death by the Canadian government.

I'm writing to you today so that you can help Priests For Life save this baby's life if possible.

Here's the situation … The baby, who is known as Baby Joseph, is suffering from a critical condition that requires him to have a breathing tube in order to stay alive.

However, the Canadian government has decided that they don't want to spend any more money on Baby Joseph to keep him alive.

And, to everyone's horror, the government won't even let Baby Joseph go home with his parents. His parents need to obtain better health care for Baby Joseph by bringing him to the United States where a hospital -- preferably a Catholic hospital where the baby will NOT be euthanized.

My experience in the case of [url="http://www.priestsforlife.org/articles/3509-terri-schiavo-priest-will-pay-to-bring-baby-joseph-to-us"]Terri Schiavo back in 2005[/url] showed me how devastating it is when a person -- no matter how young or how old -- is put to death by the "health care" system that [i]pretends[/i] to help the sick, the poor, the indigent, the elderly, and those with terminal illnesses.

In reality, the government "health care" system doesn't want to spend money on anyone if they can't [i]make[/i] money on that patient.

Therefore, since the Canadian government -- because of their system of [i]rationing[/i] health care -- is determined to put Baby Joseph to death by removing his breathing tube, we at Priests For Life are stepping up to the plate and offering to bring Baby Joseph to the United States so that he can receive better health care and possibly survive his illness rather than being put to death because of rationed health care.

You see, the Canadian government is refusing to let Baby Joseph's parents take care of him. His parents don't want him to die. They already had one child die from a similar illness, and they don't want it to happen again.

But because of the Canadian government's system of "socialized" health care, Baby Joseph is in danger. They won't take care of him. Therefore, we have to.

The first thing I urge you to do is contact the officials in the Canadian government who are holding Baby Joseph's life in their hands. [u][url="http://www.priestsforlife.org/alert/alert.aspx?id=11"]All you have to do is click here[/url][/u] and your message will be sent immediately to these Canadian officials to implore them to release Baby Joseph back to his parents so that he can get the proper health care he needs and not be put to death in the painful, inhumane method of removing his breathing tube.

The second thing you need to do is pray for Baby Joseph and his parents for a sensitive solution to this problem.

And then, third, [b][i]please forward this alert to everyone on your email list!
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I will keep you updated on our progress in this crucial fight to save Baby Joseph. Please keep reading these alerts and forwarding them to all your friends and family members so that the word can get out about the injustices inflicted upon little children by the Culture of Death.

Blessings,

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Fr. Frank Pavone
National Director, Priests for Life

This an article from the view, for those who do not like catholics.

[url="http://theview.abc.go.com/forum/family-refuses-remove-babys-breathing-tube-hopes-hell-go-detroit-hospital?page=3"]The View, about Canadian doctors plan to kill 18 month old baby to save money.[/url]

Shame on you CANADA, and shame on you CANADIANS who are not marching in the streets.

ed

[CatherineM]

This isn't about just saving money. This child is dying. He has a degenerative neurological disease, and has about a week to live. The hospital is willing to help his parents take him home to die, which they originally said was their desire. I don't know where they are getting that the parents want to take him somewhere to save him, or so that he can live. The know that he is terminal. They wanted the hospital to put a trach in, and the doctors really didn't want to subject this infant to more invasive procedures.

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1299035474' post='2217010']
This isn't about just saving money. This child is dying. He has a degenerative neurological disease, and has about a week to live. The hospital is willing to help his parents take him home to die, which they originally said was their desire. I don't know where they are getting that the parents want to take him somewhere to save him, or so that he can live. The know that he is terminal. They wanted the hospital to put a trach in, and the doctors really didn't want to subject this infant to more invasive procedures.
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They probably are "getting" that the parents wanted to take him home from the dozens of interviews the parents have done stating that in. The child is not dying right now, he is being kept alive and has a chance of treatment to prolong his life that Canadas rationed health care will not pay for, thats the deal with national health care, they have to make decisions to weigh the needs of the majority over the needs of the one. In such cases those who are too old, too young, retarded or deformed are left to die as they have less a chance to be productive, such as holding a job the government can tax to recover the monies they spend to keep them alive.

My aunt was killed by the Canadian health care system, they gave her a blood transfusion during the birth of her son, the blood was tainted with Hepatitus C, you see they did not test their blood supply at this time to save the money it would cost to test the supply, later, when she was diagnosed with the disease they told her, and over a hundred others who were given the tainted blood they were going to die as there was no treatment for Hepatitus C, despite there being a drug called Interferon that negates the effects of the disease, this drug was deemed too costly to provide for over the course of a normal lifetime of an average person to be covered in the Canadian health care system. I know from other conversations that you have recently became a Canadian citizen, but the sad truth is, this article is just one of many that points out the truth of the barbaric third world practises of the Canadian health care system.

ed

Edited March 2, 2011 by Ed Normile

[CatherineM]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1299037371' post='2217016']
They probably are "getting" that the parents wanted to take him home from the dozens of interviews the parents have done stating that in. The child is not dying right now, he is being kept alive and has a chance of treatment to prolong his life that Canadas rationed health care will not pay for, thats the deal with national health care, they have to make decisions to weigh the needs of the majority over the needs of the one. In such cases those who are too old, too young, retarded or deformed are left to die as they have less a chance to be productive, such as holding a job the government can tax to recover the monies they spend to keep them alive.

My aunt was killed by the Canadian health care system, they gave her a blood transfusion during the birth of her son, the blood was tainted with Hepatitus C, you see they did not test their blood supply at this time to save the money it would cost to test the supply, later, when she was diagnosed with the disease they told her, and over a hundred others who were given the tainted blood they were going to die as there was no treatment for Hepatitus C, despite there being a drug called Interferon that negates the effects of the disease, this drug was deemed too costly to provide for over the course of a normal lifetime of an average person to be covered in the Canadian health care system. I know from other conversations that you have recently became a Canadian citizen, but the sad truth is, this article is just one of many that points out the truth of the barbaric third world practises of the Canadian health care system.

ed
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First off, people in the US received tainted blood too. Only those with good insurance get interferon. My former roommate needed it, and never got it because she was on medicare.

I've lived under US and Canadian health care. I prefer Canadian. Baby Joseph might not have gotten any life prolonging treatment in the US, unless his parents had insurance. I loved living in the US with Gold Card insurance, but that only lasted as long as my legal career did. I hated living in the US without insurance, and having to be treated by med students, or not at all. I don't have a problem with losing my life slightly sooner than the best medicine money can buy can provide, if it means someone with a chance for life gets to go ahead of me. I am so okay with it, that it is codified in my living will.

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1299041711' post='2217044']
First off, people in the US received tainted blood too. Only those with good insurance get interferon. My former roommate needed it, and never got it because she was on medicare.

I've lived under US and Canadian health care. I prefer Canadian. Baby Joseph might not have gotten any life prolonging treatment in the US, unless his parents had insurance. I loved living in the US with Gold Card insurance, but that only lasted as long as my legal career did. I hated living in the US without insurance, and having to be treated by med students, or not at all. I don't have a problem with losing my life slightly sooner than the best medicine money can buy can provide, if it means someone with a chance for life gets to go ahead of me. I am so okay with it, that it is codified in my living will.
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Catherine? this is so wrong on so many levels its comical. First off, when a US citizen receives tainted blood they sue and become so wealthy that treatment is not an issue, being a lawyer you must realize this. Secondly baby Joseph would receive treatment in the US no matter if his parents were broke with no credit or snuck in from Canada illegally, we do not refuse treatment here ever, illegal aliens receive quality medical treatment in America everyday. Med students? only time you will run into them is if you are in a teaching hospital, and they do not treat you by themselves, they are monitored by teacher/doctors, professionals at the peak of their careers who supervise the med students who are learning from their experience. I know of no one ever refused treatment here, even a homeless bum covered in human feces was brought into the emergency room and wound up cleaned up and sharing a room with my father in the Celebration hospital in Florida, a premier hospital, not some walk in clinic. The health system is so fine here in America that dignitaries from across the world come here for treatment, including your prime minister of Canada came to a premier hospital in Miami Fl. for treatment.

ed

[CatherineM]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1299045641' post='2217068']
Catherine? this is so wrong on so many levels its comical. First off, when a US citizen receives tainted blood they sue and become so wealthy that treatment is not an issue, being a lawyer you must realize this. Secondly baby Joseph would receive treatment in the US no matter if his parents were broke with no credit or snuck in from Canada illegally, we do not refuse treatment here ever, illegal aliens receive quality medical treatment in America everyday. Med students? only time you will run into them is if you are in a teaching hospital, and they do not treat you by themselves, they are monitored by teacher/doctors, professionals at the peak of their careers who supervise the med students who are learning from their experience. I know of no one ever refused treatment here, even a homeless bum covered in human feces was brought into the emergency room and wound up cleaned up and sharing a room with my father in the Celebration hospital in Florida, a premier hospital, not some walk in clinic. The health system is so fine here in America that dignitaries from across the world come here for treatment, including your prime minister of Canada came to a premier hospital in Miami Fl. for treatment.

ed
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I have been refused treatment when I ruptured a disc. They stuck me in a hallway for 24 hours, and discharged me without being seen by a doctor. This was Florida Hospital. I have been treated by medical students, by themselves at the OU Health Sciences Center. I never saw an actual MD in that clinic. I went without treatment, or physio for years because my insurance wouldn't pay for treatment, and I couldn't afford it. I'm glad you have had great experiences in the US health system. I've had some bad ones. One thing I don't miss in Canada is seeing the coin jars at the 7-11 check-out. You know those ones for people who can't afford kidney transplants or cancer treatment? We don't have those here. People who have sick kids don't have to worry about losing their homes or having to get divorced in order to get their kids treatment.

[Archaeology cat]

Ed - I'm sorry to hear about your aunt.

No health care system is perfect, and there are horror stories everywhere. That being said, I must say that I prefer the NHS to the US health care system (having lived with both). I'm quite fond of the fact that I don't have to worry about how I'll pay for treatment if it's needed, as many of my friends in the US have ended up with huge medical bills (even with insurance) in order to get necessary treatments. Or even just to give birth.

OK, on to the story at hand. I just read [url="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontario/hospital-confronts-power-of-social-media-over-dying-baby/article1925978/"]this article[/url]. So the issue is that the child is dying, and the hospital therefore thinks it best to remove the ventilator and feeding tube. The parents want a trach put in because they think that'll cause him less pain, though the hospital disputes that simply removing the ventilator would necessarily cause pain. There's also the issue of the fact that a surgical procedure to put in a trach would cause pain, and is the child strong enough for the procedure? I don't know. Am I correct that this family had a similar thing happen to a previous child, or am I mistaken about that? I can understand how they'd want to the child to die with them at home, instead of at the hospital, and I know they want it to be as peaceful as possible, but I'm not sure the hospital is denying their request purely because of money. It sounds like a legitimate medical question to determine if the trach would cause more pain and harm than not. I don't know why they'd have to remove the feeding tube, too, though. I'd think they could leave that in so the child wouldn't be starved to death, though I don't know specifics about that, or if there would be a danger of aspiration once the ventilator was removed. I cannot imagine the pain the parents are going through, and I pray for them.

[havok579257]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1299045641' post='2217068']
Catherine? this is so wrong on so many levels its comical. First off, when a US citizen receives tainted blood they sue and become so wealthy that treatment is not an issue, being a lawyer you must realize this. Secondly baby Joseph would receive treatment in the US no matter if his parents were broke with no credit or snuck in from Canada illegally, we do not refuse treatment here ever, illegal aliens receive quality medical treatment in America everyday. Med students? only time you will run into them is if you are in a teaching hospital, and they do not treat you by themselves, they are monitored by teacher/doctors, professionals at the peak of their careers who supervise the med students who are learning from their experience. I know of no one ever refused treatment here, even a homeless bum covered in human feces was brought into the emergency room and wound up cleaned up and sharing a room with my father in the Celebration hospital in Florida, a premier hospital, not some walk in clinic. The health system is so fine here in America that dignitaries from across the world come here for treatment, including your prime minister of Canada came to a premier hospital in Miami Fl. for treatment.

ed
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you obviously have no idea how the american medical system works, do you. I work in the american medical system and it does not work that way if you have no insurance, medicare or medicaid. I don't know where you got your ideas from, but it does not work that way.

[4588686]

[quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1299074384' post='2217120']
I don't know where you got your ideas from, but it does not work that way.
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Fox News?

[Papist]

[quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1299074384' post='2217120']
you obviously have no idea how the american medical system works, do you. I work in the american medical system and it does not work that way if you have no insurance, medicare or medicaid. I don't know where you got your ideas from, but it does not work that way.
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You are incorrect. I have been in and still in a large healthcare system for over 12 years and a consultant several years before that. Hospitals do NOT refuse treatment for trauma/ED patients. Hospitals/Healthcare systems have as part of thier business infrastructure with this in mind, knowing that there are patients that have no way to pay. Someone walking into the ED gets treated, PERIOD. There was a time I was riding my motorcycle in Atlanta and I got stung by a yellow jacket. I began to have a serious allergic reaction[swelling, hives, etc]. I rode to the nearest hospital and walked into the ED. They could tell immediately that I was have a allergic reaction. They immediately escorted me to a room and gave me a quick shot of Benedryl, then Epinephrine, then steriods, never asking me for my insurance. I was there 8 hours with my blood pressure being taken every 15 minutes. It was at discharge that I gave all me demographic, insurance, etc information. Planned and elective procedures is where insurance requirements come into play.

[Lilllabettt]

You all have heard me tell before about how I've gotten all my medical treatment and surgeries, without insurance, at a hospital that happens to be #2 in the world for my condition. I remember my first doctors appointment, I told the specialist I didn't have insurance, and she literally waved her hand at me: "nah, don't worry, they have programs or something." she did not care about my ability to pay because she was on salary. Her bottom line is not changed by how many patients she sees, how many tests she runs, or whether or not her patients have insurance.

Imo, that is how medical care should be delivered: on salary.

[Archaeology cat]

That sounds like a good plan to me, Lillla.

[havok579257]

[quote name='Papist' timestamp='1299088353' post='2217175']
You are incorrect. I have been in and still in a large healthcare system for over 12 years and a consultant several years before that. Hospitals do NOT refuse treatment for trauma/ED patients. Hospitals/Healthcare systems have as part of thier business infrastructure with this in mind, knowing that there are patients that have no way to pay. Someone walking into the ED gets treated, PERIOD. There was a time I was riding my motorcycle in Atlanta and I got stung by a yellow jacket. I began to have a serious allergic reaction[swelling, hives, etc]. I rode to the nearest hospital and walked into the ED. They could tell immediately that I was have a allergic reaction. They immediately escorted me to a room and gave me a quick shot of Benedryl, then Epinephrine, then steriods, never asking me for my insurance. I was there 8 hours with my blood pressure being taken every 15 minutes. It was at discharge that I gave all me demographic, insurance, etc information. Planned and elective procedures is where insurance requirements come into play.
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this is a completly distorted view of how the american healthcare system works and is why people think there is nothing wrong with it.

if someone comes to the ER with a live threatening injury, they will treat you and save you life. no different then the canadian healthcare system. if you come to the ER with a non life threatening condition they will treat you also. same with the canadian healthcare system.

so where is the problem with the american healthcare system. the massive problem is when someone leaves the ER. if i have no insurance and go to the ER and get treated for high blood pressure or diabities, the ER will bring my bllod pressure to normal levels and get my blood sugar back to normal levels. they will then write me prescriptions for medications. the problem is without insurance, you can not afford medication for your medical problems. so you are unable to get your medication and eventually your symptoms become serious again and you end up back at step one. its a never ending cycle. someone who has no insurance can never get the PROPER treatment for their medical condition.

also another perfect example is a large portion of the homeless population. a large portion of the homeless population suffer from some mental disorder like schitzophrenia, bi polar, etc. so we pick them up and take them to the ER for treatment. they receive treatment in the ER and then we transport them to a psych facility for further treatment. Eventually they psych facility gets the pt on the correct medication to treat their disorder and the person is discharged and the person is normal now. the problem now is they have a prescription for psych medication but no way to pay for the medication. eventually the medication in there system wears off and the person is back to step one.

i am not even going to go into when someone who needs a life prolonging proocedure but can't afford it so they don't get it all because they don't have insurance.

so please tell me, how this system is so wonderful and the best in the world?

[Papist]

[quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1299167307' post='2217445']
so please tell me, how this system is so wonderful and the best in the world?
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So please show me where I stated the US healthcare system is "so wonderful and the best in the world". I never stated any such thing. The US system is far from flawless. There is not a system that everyone can be treated unconditionally, not to mentioned treated with proper quality of care. There is just not enough money to be had to pay for it regardless of how high the people are taxed. Research is severely compromised in a socialized healthcare system. People don’t have a right to be given healthcare, thought they do have the right to have access to healthcare.

[Nihil Obstat]

[8] Neither did we eat any man's bread for nothing, but in labour and in toil we worked night and day, lest we should be chargeable to any of you. [9] Not as if we had not power: but that we might give ourselves a pattern unto you, to imitate us. [10] For also when we were with you, this we declared to you: that, if any man will not work, neither let him eat.


To say the healthcare must be free is to say that doctors should work for nothing, which is an awful violation of their rights. Healthcare has to be paid for, and even in Canada it's paid for. The question lies in from whose pocket the money comes.