Internet Kill Switch ?

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1300002580' post='2220440']
Well now I see it clearer, Adam and Eve were Anarchists !![/quote]
Originally. Then they aggressed. And [i]libido dominandi [/i]flourished ever after. You will not find the words, "In the beginning, there was coercive violence" in Genesis.

[quote]In your defintion, and the lovable Saint Bernard Kujo's definition of Anarchism there would be no state to rebel against?[/quote]

Correct.

[quote]What would be the act of anarchy then, the anarchist would be uneeded and in reality non existing. If there were no government he would cease to exist. The anarchist is dependent upon the state to have something to rail against, in his perfect utopian society he would be just a hunter/gatherer or perhaps a farmer, maybe even carry a pointed stick to defend against those who would come to take his produce or abscond with his woman. Maybe he would appoint someone or maybe even hire a person or persons to provide for his security, then he could become an anarchist again as he would have the trappings of a state to deal with again, vicious circle this dream world is.

ed
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An anarchist is no more dependent upon the State than a Catholic is dependent upon the existence of sin. Though we Catholics rail against sin, sin is not why we are Catholic. Nor do we cease to be Catholic once we have achieved heaven.

Nihil addressed this appropriately.

~Sternhauser

Edited March 13, 2011 by Sternhauser

[Jesus_lol]

Bloody hell guys, does this have to turn into the same "anarchy means this and this" and "anarchy is or isnt catholic" thread that shows up everywhere?


seriously. "A fanatic is someone who cant change his mind, and wont change the subject" sees like that second half especially is fitting.

if no one has more to say on the killswitch internet issue, then let it die, por favour.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1300081171' post='2220599']
Bloody hell guys, does this have to turn into the same "anarchy means this and this" and "anarchy is or isnt catholic" thread that shows up everywhere?


seriously. "A fanatic is someone who cant change his mind, and wont change the subject" sees like that second half especially is fitting.

if no one has more to say on the killswitch internet issue, then let it die, por favour.
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That's something only a person who hates anarchists would say.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1300081171' post='2220599']
Bloody hell guys, does this have to turn into the same "anarchy means this and this" and "anarchy is or isnt catholic" thread that shows up everywhere?


seriously. "A fanatic is someone who cant change his mind, and wont change the subject" sees like that second half especially is fitting.

if no one has more to say on the killswitch internet issue, then let it die, por favour.
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We didn't start the fire. If terms are going to be abused, we'll put it out.

~Sternhauser

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1300132721' post='2220703']
We didn't start the fire. If terms are going to be abused, we'll put it out.

~Sternhauser
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Your putting out fires with abuses like this ? "[b]An anarchist is no more dependent upon the State than a Catholic is dependent upon the existence of sin. Though we Catholics rail against sin, sin is not why we are Catholic. [u]Nor do we cease to be Catholic once we have achieved heaven[/u][/b][u]."

[/u]The part I underlined is way to shallow for you Stern you can do better than that, do not try to beat me up with such a weak argument. When we attain heaven we are to be like God, in that we see Him as He is, face to face, living with Christ and the Virgin Mary and the saints and angels. We are no longer catholic, or universal as the word means, we are among, and one of the elect. Catholics will be those christians trying to reach the goal we have reached, well you have reached, I will probably be languishing in purgatory relying on the prayers of the good catholics for my expiation.

What do you call an anarchist who lives in exile, unfulfilled, a rebel without a cause, useless, outdated, unneeded, or perhaps just a malcontent?

ed

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1300170537' post='2220834']
Your putting out fires with abuses like this ? "[b]An anarchist is no more dependent upon the State than a Catholic is dependent upon the existence of sin. Though we Catholics rail against sin, sin is not why we are Catholic. [u]Nor do we cease to be Catholic once we have achieved heaven[/u][/b][u]."

[/u]The part I underlined is way to shallow for you Stern you can do better than that, do not try to beat me up with such a weak argument. When we attain heaven we are to be like God, in that we see Him as He is, face to face, living with Christ and the Virgin Mary and the saints and angels. We are no longer catholic, or universal as the word means, we are among, and one of the elect. Catholics will be those christians trying to reach the goal we have reached, well you have reached, I will probably be languishing in purgatory relying on the prayers of the good catholics for my expiation.

What do you call an anarchist who lives in exile, unfulfilled, a rebel without a cause, useless, outdated, unneeded, or perhaps just a malcontent?

ed
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Are you saying that the saints are no longer Catholic?

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1300208693' post='2220893']
Are you saying that the saints are no longer Catholic?
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Yup, thats what I am saying, when the Saints are one with God they will no longer need or want earthly titles. They will be singing with the choirs of angels the praises of God. I guess you realize that Jesus did not say Peter, you are Kepha, my rock and on this rock I will build my Catholic Church. The word catholic means universal, a term used to describe the uniformity of us as christians, roman catholic is another term men have placed on the church as it is based now in rome, at one time it was probably referred to as the greek catholic church, either way we are followers of Christ, and we beleive that we will one day be in His presence, able to see His face, earthly titles will not hold any weight or importance for us.

Do you think Nihil that there will be Greek Orthodox saints, or saints from any other christian religion in heaven, or do you feel it will be only catholic saints in heaven as the manner in which they lived and loved for God's sake is not as important as the title they worship under? If so how do you explain the catholic faiths that we are in communion with?

ed

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1301021825' post='2223102']
Yup, thats what I am saying, when the Saints are one with God they will no longer need or want earthly titles. They will be singing with the choirs of angels the praises of God. I guess you realize that Jesus did not say Peter, you are Kepha, my rock and on this rock I will build my Catholic Church. The word catholic means universal, a term used to describe the uniformity of us as christians, roman catholic is another term men have placed on the church as it is based now in rome, at one time it was probably referred to as the greek catholic church, either way we are followers of Christ, and we beleive that we will one day be in His presence, able to see His face, earthly titles will not hold any weight or importance for us.

Do you think Nihil that there will be Greek Orthodox saints, or saints from any other christian religion in heaven, or do you feel it will be only catholic saints in heaven as the manner in which they lived and loved for God's sake is not as important as the title they worship under? If so how do you explain the catholic faiths that we are in communion with?

ed
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Extra Ecclesia Nulla Salus. All salvation comes through the Church.


"Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus. All the categorical strength and point of this aphorism lies in its tautology. Outside the Church there is no salvation, because salvation is the Church" (G. Florovsky, "Sobornost: the Catholicity of the Church", in The Church of God, p. 53). Does it therefore follow that anyone who is not visibly within the Church is necessarily damned? Of course not; still less does it follow that everyone who is visibly within the Church is necessarily saved. As Augustine wisely remarked: "How many sheep there are without, how many wolves within!" (Homilies on John, 45, 12) While there is no division between a "visible" and an "invisible Church", yet there may be members of the Church who are not visibly such, but whose membership is known to God alone. If anyone is saved, he must in some sense be a member of the Church; in what sense, we cannot always say.
—Kallistos Ware

[Amppax]

Ed

I really think you don't understand the word anarchist. but I digress, this thread is not about what anarchism is or isn't. As to an internet kill switch, i'm pretty sure the bill would be ruled unconstitutional very soon after being passed. Why? there is no way in the world the ACLU would let something like that happen. As much as I dislike the ACLU, it does have its uses sometimes. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/like.gif[/img]

However, it also seems like you are asking for people's personal opinion on such a proposal. If you can't already tell, I would be firmly against such a bill, as it would be an abridgment of my rights as an American citizen. Outside of that, I would not like to see our government have the power to shut down communication (I am assuming that if they shut down the internet, they would also shut down phones and such). However, I also don't think this power would ever be used, hopefully.

peace
Alex

[ardillacid]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1300132721' post='2220703']
We didn't start the fire. If terms are going to be abused, we'll put it out.

~Sternhauser
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Anarchy is not a clearly defined term. How does your claim to it take precedence over others'?

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='Amppax' timestamp='1301534418' post='2224892']
Ed

I really think you don't understand the word anarchist. but I digress, this thread is not about what anarchism is or isn't. As to an internet kill switch, i'm pretty sure the bill would be ruled unconstitutional very soon after being passed. Why? there is no way in the world the ACLU would let something like that happen. As much as I dislike the ACLU, it does have its uses sometimes. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/like.gif[/img]

However, it also seems like you are asking for people's personal opinion on such a proposal. If you can't already tell, I would be firmly against such a bill, as it would be an abridgment of my rights as an American citizen. Outside of that, I would not like to see our government have the power to shut down communication (I am assuming that if they shut down the internet, they would also shut down phones and such). However, I also don't think this power would ever be used, hopefully.

peace
Alex
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Perhaps you should have read the article I posted a link to here, the law was originally passed in 1934, effectively creating the Federal Communications Commission, it was expanded under George Bush to allow the use of " white space " to block any broadcast deemed a national threat, and President Obama wants to expand it further to include the internet. In all reality as the internet and for that matter any means of public communication is already covered under the original 1934 law, the addition of the internet is just to make the ability to use the law easier for the president as he wanted to leave out the need to go before congress before enacting the law. Although this President has already engaged us in a war with a country that neither attacked or threatened the U.S. or its citizens without seeking the approval of congress as is mandated for a war action, the law as he wants it is in reality a moot point as he has proven that he does not acknowledge the constitutional limits of his office already.

Oh, would you explain why you feel I do not understand the word anarchist? I feel that anarchist could be used loosely to describe one who wants to see all governments either abolished or overthrown, or one who would engage in violence or civil disorder to affect an end to his means, alas I digress....

ed

Edited March 31, 2011 by Ed Normile