infinitelord1 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I understand that this can be a sensitive subject for some people. I want to know how you all feel about Interracial Dating and Marriage. I don't believe that God cares whether or not an interracial marriage occurs. On the other hand, don't you think that this may be one of the main causes of racism? I think for the most part, racism has decreased dramatically in the United States. We now have an African American president. Anyways, In the area I live in...I see a lot of interracial couples. I will be honest. I do not like what I see. Let me explain to you why... Most of the interracial couples that I see are White Female and Black Man couples. The Big question in my mind is why is this? This to me is disturbing. And it wouldn't be so disturbing if things were more proportional. What I am getting at is...if I saw just as many White Man and Black Female couples as you did White Female and Black Man couples I wouldn't be disturbed. But you don't. It's almost as if the White Man is now competing with the Black Man for his own women. I have had this discussion with multiple females. The most common response is that White Males go for the Asian Females a lot. And this somehow, in their minds, justifies being with a Black Man. But from my own observation...living in the area of the United States were the largest asian population resides...it is not nearly as common as the White Female and Black Male pair. Even if you look into Hollywood these days... with starts like Keysha, Kim Kardashian, etc. They are either married to or you only see them with a Black Man. So even the best looking women are gunning for the Black Man these days. From my own experience...there have been 2 girls I have liked over the past couple of years...one of them turned me down...next thing you know it... she's running around with a Black Man, and after him, another Black Man. The other girl, she turned me down, and I find out she prefers black men. With all the accusations being thrown around about people being racists this and that... yet we overlook another form of racism that is going on before our eyes. And I'm referring to these women who believe, think, and/or feel that being with a Black Man is better. Let me explain why this is racism in more detail... Sexual Preference- The preference one shows by having a sexual interest in members of the same, opposite, or either sex. Racism- the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others. Given these 2 definitions... we can conclude that when someone acts or states that they prefer a certain race over all other races that this is not a sexual preference. Sexual Preference refers to sexual orientation. So when someone is behaving in a way or stating that one race is superior to another, in any kind of way (in this case in terms of sexuality), then they are exhibiting racist behavior. Racist Behavior to include only dating members of another race. I don't think you can really be racist by dating someone of your own kind because they are apart of the same ethnic group as you. It would only make sense to date someone in the same ethnic group since you share the same thoughts and ideas in relation to the rest of the world. Call me a racist. But this is what I believe is the truth. Do I believe we should never date outside of our race? No. I think it is OK so long as you focus on falling in love with someone. If that is your motive then race should not matter at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Of course if you just happen to be attracted to black men more than white men and the guys you like click with you, that's cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_nine Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 [quote name='infinitelord1' timestamp='1298707139' post='2215750'] It's almost as if the White Man is now competing with the Black Man for [b]his own[/b] women. [/quote] At first I thought, poor choice of words. Very bad choice of words. But what I find sort of disturbing is your attitude woven throughout this post. I don't mean that as an insult, it's just I took one college class on race so that pretty much makes me an expert in these matters. I'm kidding about that but, this young lady you were dating, you're annoyed that she's "running around" with all these black men? You must see the glaring implications behind your language. White women don't collectively belong to the white male population. There is no entitlement. Same with any race. I find that idea disturbing. And you might say "oh know I know we're not entitled etc etc" of course I wouldn't expect one to outright admit that, but I think you just need to take a harder look at what you think and why you think it. I don't see this as racist as I do sexist. [quote]I have had this discussion with multiple females. The most common response is that White Males go for the Asian Females a lot. And this somehow, in their minds, justifies being with a Black Man. But from my own observation...living in the area of the United States were the largest asian population resides...it is not nearly as common as the White Female and Black Male pair. [/quote] "why are all the black kids sitting at the same lunch table?" What you notice, and what you observe has a lot to do with your vantage point and the biases you posses. Do you notice how many white male/female pairs there are? A hell of a lot, but you probably don't notice it cause it doesn't pop out at you in all of its normalcy. I was watching a vh1 show about race and pop-culture and whatnot. it said statistically the least married people were asian men and black women (not together as a pair), and actually it was a few black women like "why are all these white chicks taking our black men? It's already slim pickings to get a black guy with a college degree without a criminal record." Not my opinion, but it goes to show ya, it's all about perspective. What lenses you're looking through. Both their complaint and yours seems to stem from a sense of entitlement bordering on resentment. Almost like you should get first dibs on the white women and black women should get first dibs on black males. Even though race isn't a biological reality it's still very real within the collective psyche, so there may be underlying reasons and such why people feel entitled to "their" people, so as much as I'd like to dismiss it and say "these ideas are backwards and unnecessary" because that doesn't do much to eliminate the problem. [quote]Even if you look into Hollywood these days... with starts like Keysha, Kim Kardashian, etc. They are either married to or you only see them with a Black Man. So even the best looking women are gunning for the Black Man these days. [/quote] OK, LET'S talk about Hollywood. It's a bad basis for reality. Something that always kinda irked me is, how many times does the "ugly" gal end up with the totally hawt looking guy? Almost never. How many times does the "ugly" dorky guy end up with the beautiful woman because she is charmed by his personality/intellect or whatever? An awful lot more. If people look at Hollywood to mirror reality (God help us) no wonder less attractive women can be so freaking jealous of attractive women. But I know in reality that, despite all the tripe of "well men are just visual creatures" that can be used to justify shallowness, I know not all men are hopelessly superficial even if they are often portrayed as such and the idea has even become acceptable among a certain number of people. My advice is to chillax. If someone is too wrapped up in superficial things, skin color or otherwise, you don't want to be with that person unless of course you're equally as shallow, which might be even a harder pill to swallow. [quote]Call me a racist. But this is what I believe is the truth. Do I believe we should never date outside of our race? No. I think it is OK so long as you focus on falling in love with someone. If that is your motive then race should not matter at all.[/quote] And your assumption that it's not people's main focus is based on some faulty observations and biases. A bruised ego maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Culture matters more than race, and love matters most of all. If we say that people can't date/ marry outside of their own race, then we have to deal with how to define race. And there have been different theories of race, and ethnic groups that were racially classified a certain way partly on the basis of culture and history rather than just genotypes and phenotypes. And if we go with a mongoloid, Caucasoid, Negroid, Australoid, then does it matter within those who dates whom? What if African Americans from Africa want to date Black Americans and vice versa. Are Nigerian Americans deprived of the more racially pure potential partners really wronged from a racial standpoint? What about saying that west Europeans dating Middle Eastern Americans? And Who do Indians (from India) get to date? And who does a child adopted and raised in the culture/subculture of another racial group date? If as a white woman, I [i]belong[/i] to white men, who are white men to tell me who I can and cannot have a romantic relationship with? "I think it is OK so long as you focus on falling in love with someone. If that is your motive then race should not matter at all. " Same for hair color, height, weight, etc. Some guys are just going to catch my attention more often. Now an interesting question would be, why do certain groups (male/female of this or that race) tend to end up with another group more often than usual/in the past. That would be an interesting sociological statement on racial stereotypes and socially instilled ideas of attractive. This may not be as useful on some individuals, but as a whole... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I firmly believe that humans should only date/marry humans. Going outside the human race is strictly verboten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopefulBride Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 You pose some interesting questions some of which have been addressed. However, I need a more reliable internet connection and a better computer. Will respond later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I think the real question here is how in the world did this black man get Janet Jackson: [img]http://www.celebpulp.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/jackson-dupri.jpg[/img] And this black man get Alicia Keys: [img]http://rapradar.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/swizz-beats-alicia-keys.jpg?w=346&h=500[/img] I totally disagree with hot black women dating ugly black men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Man, I feel your pain. People who think there's nothing wrong with interracial dating, and teach their children that, end up producing 27 grandchildren who look like this: [img]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_bWjrh4VbOZE/TWkvZ52CdjI/AAAAAAAADXY/lVHjESQKY_Y/185682_10150113723507945_500057944_6500620_4731265_n%20%281%29.jpg[/img] [size="6"]What an abomination!!![/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkKurallSchuenemann Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 (edited) My opinion of interracial dating/racism, sexism, and any other ism is this. My definition of Arrogance is - some person, or a group of people, think he/she/they are better than another person or group of people, for some stupid reason. The logic is - the reason is always stupid. Anybody who is against interracial dating and marriage is ! This is an arrogance issue, pure and simple. Let love happen, what God has put together let no man tear apart! Edited February 26, 2011 by MarkKurallSchuenemann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I don't see the issue. Maybe it is because I went to an inner city high school. Typically people date other people of their own ethnicity - you simply get along with them better and tend to be more attracted to people with a similar background. However I know a lot of interracial couples and all of them are amesome. I know white men married to african american women, visa versa, an Indian married to a Japanese girl. Who cares. one man + one woman = one marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havok579257 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 that is one of the most racists posts i have ever seen here on phatmass. talk about white men owning white women. black men stealing our white women. how its wrong to date/marry outside your race unless its on occassion and not the norm. how being attracted to one race over another is wrong unless its your race. you know God made all people right? white, black, hispanic, middle eastern, chinese. God doesn't care what race you date/marry. Everyone is God's children equally. Quicker your learn that the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 [quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1298740286' post='2215794'] I don't see the issue. Maybe it is because I went to an inner city high school. Typically people date other people of their own ethnicity - you simply get along with them better and tend to be more attracted to people with a similar background. However I know a lot of interracial couples and all of them are amesome. I know white men married to african american women, visa versa, an Indian married to a Japanese girl. Who cares. one man + one woman = one marriage. [/quote] This. When my roommate's fiancee visits I have no problems with them being together when she's Japanese and he's Caucasian; they love one another and that's what matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1298738468' post='2215788'] I think the real question here is how in the world did this black man get Janet Jackson: [img]http://www.celebpulp.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/jackson-dupri.jpg[/img] [/quote] I'm was already married. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I grew up where there were separate water fountains and waiting rooms for "colored" people. By the time I leave this world, I'm hoping that there won't be a need to even put a race line on forms and applications. My great uncle and his wife couldn't have children because she was "passing" and they couldn't afford to have a child that was too dark that might give them away. I certainly hope that time is well passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1298739171' post='2215789'] Man, I feel your pain. People who think there's nothing wrong with interracial dating, and teach their children that, end up producing 27 grandchildren who look like this: [img]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_bWjrh4VbOZE/TWkvZ52CdjI/AAAAAAAADXY/lVHjESQKY_Y/185682_10150113723507945_500057944_6500620_4731265_n%20%281%29.jpg[/img] [size="6"]What an abomination!!![/size] [/quote] dUSt, you're aw[i]e[/i]some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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