Catherine Therese Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 It is hard to know whether the Roman Catholic mention (strange and disjointed from the rest of the article though it was) is actually relevant to the story or if its a bit of a red herring, deliberately designed to stir the pot and turn the story into a bigger controversy? Something that the article and some of the comments alluded to was that Griffin was trying to implement lots of change. Griffin defended the radical changes made during his tenure by saying that he was hired to transform the company. In the absence of solid change management, this was always going to earn him some enemies, no matter how good or necessary some of the changes may have been. People who are comfortable with a status quo don't like changes. Most people will put up with and adapt to little changes, but lots of big changes in fast succession are going to create a stir and if you stir the pot too close to powerful people then I don't like your chances of holding on to your job for very long. It sounds to me like its possible he didn't invest enough in managing and monitoring how the changes were received by his staff. I feel bad for him, though. And if he was witnessing to his faith into the bargain, then all power to him! (BTW - I looked at his eyes... he DEFINITELY has the Griffin eyes... I wonder if he's a relative that I didn't know I had?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add Posted February 21, 2011 Author Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='Catherine Therese' timestamp='1298284780' post='2214354'] if its a bit of a red herring, deliberately designed to stir the pot and turn the story into a bigger controversy? [/quote] i think your spot on, however Mr Griffin has a track record. His community service includes serving as a director of Catholic Relief Services and Mustard Seed USA He sounds like a good man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='apparently' timestamp='1298211898' post='2214106'] Griffin, who is a Roman Catholic, made some in the company uncomfortable by referring to his faith during meetings and interactions with subordinates [url="http://www.adweek.com/aw/content_display/news/digital/e3i128602b2ef399dc80f0d55ae53f951a5?pn=2"] link[/url] [/quote] no fair man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catherine Therese Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='apparently' timestamp='1298316489' post='2214456'] He sounds like a good man [/quote] That he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJon16 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1298242025' post='2214201'] So Catholics should never work in the secular world? [/quote] Not what I said. I feel that we should all, weather living in a secular world or not, attempt to spread God's word in some aspect of our life. Is that not what Jesus calls us to do? And leave it to phatmass to make everything I say into a debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJon16 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1298243233' post='2214209'] That's kind of a shallow way of looking at it. There are ways he may very well have been serving God that aren't apparent to you. [/quote] I hope I do not sound weak in saying this but, you are very very right. I do apologize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catherine Therese Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 [quote name='BigJon16' timestamp='1298348008' post='2214562'] I hope I do not sound weak in saying this but, you are very very right. I do apologize. [/quote] Only Leroy Jethro Gibbs** believes that apologising is a sign of weakness. We, the rest of the informed public, perceive it to be a sign of interior strength and humility and it is worthy of respect. I second the 'thumbs up' **(N.C.I.S. - what can I say, I'm an addict?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 [quote name='BigJon16' timestamp='1298347510' post='2214560'] Not what I said. I feel that we should all, weather living in a secular world or not, attempt to spread God's word in some aspect of our life. Is that not what Jesus calls us to do? And leave it to phatmass to make everything I say into a debate. [/quote] Your words I responded to seemed to imply that one could not serve God or spread God's word working for a secular business. [quote name='BigJon16' timestamp='1298241717' post='2214198'] Maybe God didn't want him working for Time? There are better things for a Catholic to be doing, like oh I don't know, serving God. He should take this as a sign. After all how does being a magazine exec for a magazine that is not religious in any way, help spread God's word? [/quote] However, there are many ways one can serve God and spread His word while working in secular society, which is what most Catholics are called to do. It appears you yourself admitted this later, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhetoricfemme Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 [quote name='BigJon16' timestamp='1298347510' post='2214560'] Not what I said. I feel that we should all, weather living in a secular world or not, attempt to spread God's word in some aspect of our life. Is that not what Jesus calls us to do? [/quote] Not that I know the details of his firing, or the types of interactions he has with co-workers, his family, his church, or even strangers in the supermarket, but perhaps he's been doing just that. Perhaps the changes he attempted to make and/or his professional interactions included trying to spread God's word in one way or another. Well. Whether he was evangelizing, pressing a Catholic agenda in the workplace or not, the press is reporting that his Catholicism may have lead to his firing. This draws attention to the issue of religion on the workplace. Perhaps this instance is God's way of using Griffin to spread His Word. [quote name='Catherine Therese' timestamp='1298377205' post='2214577'] Only Leroy Jethro Gibbs** believes that apologising is a sign of weakness. We, the rest of the informed public, perceive it to be a sign of interior strength and humility and it is worthy of respect. [/quote] Word! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJon16 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 [quote name='rhetoricfemme' timestamp='1298398677' post='2214637'] Not that I know the details of his firing, or the types of interactions he has with co-workers, his family, his church, or even strangers in the supermarket, but perhaps he's been doing just that. Perhaps the changes he attempted to make and/or his professional interactions included trying to spread God's word in one way or another. Well. Whether he was evangelizing, pressing a Catholic agenda in the workplace or not, the press is reporting that his Catholicism may have lead to his firing. This draws attention to the issue of religion on the workplace. Perhaps this instance is God's way of using Griffin to spread His Word. [/quote] Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJon16 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1298398510' post='2214635'] Your words I responded to seemed to imply that one could not serve God or spread God's word working for a secular business. [/quote] I understand. hahahaha [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1298398510' post='2214635'] However, there are many ways one can serve God and spread His word while working in secular society, which is what most Catholics are called to do. It appears you yourself admitted this later, though. [/quote] I realize this now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJon16 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 [quote name='Catherine Therese' timestamp='1298377205' post='2214577'] **(N.C.I.S. - what can I say, I'm an addict?) [/quote] Me too!! hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 [quote name='BigJon16' timestamp='1298347510' post='2214560'] And leave it to phatmass to make everything I say into a debate. [/quote] Welcome to PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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