crusader1234 Posted April 24, 2004 Share Posted April 24, 2004 [quote]The girl's husband said she must have another child, so did her mother-in- law.[/quote] ... seems like the husband and mother in law are both going to force her to have grandkids. maybe you studied the religions and sure it is the 21ST (not 20th) century.... but if you ever watch link tv yu would know what its like there. arranged marriages do occur, and as it seems in this situation, the husband and mother in law are in total control. the girl is faced with the options, be raped and possibly die in childbirth take birth control secretly again with that quote... she has no option to abstain. based on what i have seen and heard (a close friend is sikh, a family friend is hindu, and i watch link tv because it fascinates me) she would be at the mercy of her family. they dont seem to have mercy. therefore, you are condemning her to probable death. while the idea of martyring one's self is nice, many of us would not have the courage to be raped and possibly die for jesus at the moment. do you realize that india is a far different country than the us and canada? The wife has a 1% chance probably of having a husband who supports her in her wishes for abstinence. agian... read the quote. this marriage (based on the whole mother in law involvement) is most likely arranged. this means the wife is subjected to the husbands will. rid yourselves of any romantic ideas abuot her putting her foot down, or her abstaining, or her getting lucky. he will continue to have sex with her and theres not much she can do aside from leave the relationship which probably isnt an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazilloe Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 [quote name='Matty_boy' date='Apr 22 2004, 12:01 AM'] i think the woman needs to stick to her guns. her soul is way more important than her husbands sex drive. NFP is the way to go. Contraception makes abortion necessary because contraception dictates a lack of openness to life. thus when a woman gets pregnant and is on birth control, she is more open to abortion because of that lack of openness to life. plaus, the abstaining from sex is an exercise in restraint for the purpose of love for your spouse. it builds a stronger bond. [/quote] life is a competition for strategic resources. animals kill animals all the time. maybe "life" should be more open to "life" before humans are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreepyCrawler Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 maybe humans should try and set the example and then life will follow our lead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voiciblanche Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 [quote name='Hazilloe' date='Apr 25 2004, 12:33 AM'] maybe "life" should be more open to "life" before humans are. [/quote] "Life" is hard to explain in the way you are using it, but generally life itself, as a noun, is a gift from the Lord. A gift of the Lord will always allow life. Never does He take away innocent life, or really any life at all. Those not open to life will tear the world apart piece by piece until they realize that we own nothing - not even our own life. If we don't own our own lives, what makes us think we can own the lives of others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreepyCrawler Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 you're assuming humans are mere animals and nothing more. then why do we have the space program, medical research, and art? it's all a waste because it doesn't further our darwinian 'fitness' (which is reproducing as much as possible). actually the pro-lifers are more in line with darwinian fitness than pro-aborts, if you want to get technical and all 'survival of the fittest.' if life is a competition for resources, the U.S is winning but we're shooting ourselves in the foot by allowing immigration, neonatal care in hospitals, and charities to function in this country. maybe you're right that life is harsh, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try and be compassionate and support the dignity of other humans. i think that's what separates the humans from 'mere' animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty_boy Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 Ghandi also quit having relations with his wife because he said that bodily pleasure distracts the soul. He wasn't just against birth control, he was against sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty_boy Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 Also, whoever started this forum asked the question "What do we think about it". I can't believe any of the people in this forum are saying anything other than what the Catholic faith teaches. Maria Goretti was killed because she wouldn't be raped. She stuck to her guns even though she knew it would get her killed. It was that sacred to her. Don't play this "her husband says she has to...she could get raped blah blah blah" because it makes the woman out to be the bad guy, and ignores the fact that the husband would be a complete $^!@# to rape his wife. It makes the woman in the situation compromise on her morals because if she doesn't, bad things will happen. That's what the Catholic Church is all about. Getting dumped on and taking it for the team! It happens to all of us all the time, at work, school, in the media and movies, art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 hey matty boy its called a bad situation because its a bd situation and the husband is an [expletive deleted]. the husband would rape her and shes not going to be able to get out of this. its called a bad situation because it is one... so her choices are get raped, get murdered, get excommunicated, get divorced, or take birth control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 birth conrol is [b]bad[/b] and [b]evil.[/b] not only will it mess up her health, but kill her unborn children. and won't solve anything. :shame: lets pray for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreepyCrawler Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 [quote name='Matty_boy' date='Apr 26 2004, 09:14 PM'] Ghandi also quit having relations with his wife because he said that bodily pleasure distracts the soul. He wasn't just against birth control, he was against sex. [/quote] he wasn't against sex but he wasn't catholic either. so i'm sure his motives weren't exactly in line with catholic moral theology. it would be a mistake to say that just b/c he stopped sexual relations with his wife (and his wife agreed, too) that he was against it. read his autobiography, it's a bit more complex than u think. i just mentioned that b/c a lot of indians look up to gandhi and they consider him one of the greatest hindus to ever live (which is true, in my opinion) and if HE thought that artificial birth control was evil, i'm sure you could make the case other hindus. hey is the girl in this hypothetical situation catholic? is she aware of catholic moral teaching? just curious.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amarkich Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Just a question, who cares what Ghandi did? He was not Catholic. He was outside the Church, the rest of the Doctrine should follow (see my signature). God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreepyCrawler Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 there's a website called "what would gandhi do?" i found the title funny... anyway, you are right. what matters is what God says. is running away from your family a sin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikkan_hanil Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 [quote name='ironmonk' date='Apr 22 2004, 08:35 AM'] Birth control is evil. [/quote] Under NO circumstances will [i]anything[/i] give you the right to rob souls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovechrist Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Apr 26 2004, 10:42 PM'] its called a bad situation because it is one... so her choices are get raped, get murdered, get excommunicated, get divorced, or take birth control. [/quote] those aren't the greatest choices... birth control is not allowed at any point in the game.. nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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