Livin_the_MASS Posted April 23, 2004 Author Share Posted April 23, 2004 [quote name='God Conquers' date='Apr 22 2004, 07:50 PM'] Agreed, people need to know about hell, but we need to do things out of love for God and not fear of hell. [/quote] 100% agree, "Perfect love cast out all fear" I'm just saying Hell and the word sin are not thought about alot these days! St. Faustina Pray for us. God Bless in His Divine Mercy Jesus I trust in You! Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 [quote]Hell and the word sin are not thought about alot these days![/quote] so true, and so sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted April 24, 2004 Share Posted April 24, 2004 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Apr 23 2004, 01:14 AM'] We don't put numbers on it nor should we dwell on it. Talking about it is fine. Going Johnathan Edwards is not fine. [/quote] You talking about the Triple Jumper? What are you referring to him saying (I don't think I've heard it I'd like to know, just curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted April 24, 2004 Share Posted April 24, 2004 He's talking about the "Crossing Over" guy.... aka, expert cold reader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted April 24, 2004 Author Share Posted April 24, 2004 [b]Fatima[/b] "The sight of so many souls suffering in Hell had a profound effect upon the children. They all said they would have died of fright had Our Lady not previously guaranteed then that they were going to Heaven. But that was not enough. Their lives changed dramatically doing everything possible to save souls by making sacrifices of food and drink. In her Memoirs, Lucia offers the reflection on the vision of Hell: 'Some people, even the most devout, refuse to speak to Childern about Hell, in case it would frighten them. Yet God did not hesitate to show Hell to three children...knowing well that they would be horrified to the point of, I would almost dare to say, withering away with fear.'" God Bless Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted April 24, 2004 Share Posted April 24, 2004 Hell is a scary reality, I agree with that. We should remind ourselves that we too can be sent to Hell. Also we should remind others of the same thing. But for me (not sure if anyone else feels the same way), but when I tend to dwell on Hell more than I should, I tend to pretty much panic. Partly for myself, but mainly for others. I can't think that day, because my mind is going a mile a second, wanting to just burst out of the door and evanglize 24/7. Thing is, our bodies can't handle that much work. I have issues I myself have to work out, I'm still in school (homeschooled), and etc. I'm not saying I can't evanglize, I do it pretty often. The problem is, if I dwell on Hell, I can't do the other things that I need to do in my life. Things that will help me and others in the future. If I panic, I won't accomplish anything. I would be spending hours and hours on the net, posting on chat rooms, trying to convert souls. Neglecting my health, schooling, and etc. I hate that feeling, that is why I don't [b]dwell[/b] on Hell. It makes my day worse than it should be. The best I can do, is witness to my friends who are not walking in the Fullness of Truth, and pray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amarkich Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 Just as a short follow-up, the fact of that matter is that almost no Priests preach the fact and very likely possibility of damnation (more souls are damned than saved; this is in Scripture, is quoted by the Saints, and is logical) whereas all of the Saints did preach damnation. The message of Heaven and salvation is also an important one (no one denies this), but it is very misleading in the form in which it is preached today. Likewise, our society needs to be instructed on the likelihood of damnation because of the Modernists in the Church and throughout the world. If it was necessary to speak of Hell much, much, much more than Heaven when the Saints lived (and when Christ taught), then how much more necessary is it today. It is interesting to note, if you read the Sermons of Saint John Vianney, that nearly every one (if not every one) focus very strongly on Hell and the likelihood of damnation. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 I think we should teach both evenly, 50/50. Sound good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amarkich Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 I do not think we should teach the two evenly because 1) the Saints did not do this (and during their lives there were many more saved than today) and 2) it is illogical to teach the two equally because we need to combat the abundance of "happy feelings" Sermons which are typically given with hard truth concerning damnation. It should be noted that, even though there may be a Sermon or a teaching which is focused on the fact that it brings damnation, it is also important to discuss the opposing virtue of the vice which leads to Hell. This is the way that those can be saved who are living in a world such as ours is today. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted April 25, 2004 Author Share Posted April 25, 2004 Jesus told St. Faustina He wants to be known for His Mercy. St. Faustina was shown Hell as well and has a whole section on it. God wants to be known for His Divine Mercy, but also wants everyone to know that there is a Hell. God Bless Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 The problem with preaching on Hell lies in the fact that most people have no clue what they're doing is [i]wrong[/i]. It's for this reason I refuse to beleive the majority of the world is going to hell. As for Scripture, and all the "many souls are going to Hell" quotes, how many is actually many? Perhaps many should be intrepted with the same persepective as "soon" is intrepted in Revelation. I don't know that. I do, however, know that the Church has never infallibly said the majority of souls are going to Hell, and she also teaches that mortal sin requires full consent of the will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted April 25, 2004 Author Share Posted April 25, 2004 [quote name='Enda' date='Apr 25 2004, 04:52 PM']The problem with preaching on Hell lies in the fact that most people have no clue what they're doing is [i]wrong[/i]. It's for this reason I refuse to beleive the majority of the world is going to hell. As for Scripture, and all the "many souls are going to Hell" quotes, how many is actually many? Perhaps many should be intrepted with the same persepective as "soon" is intrepted in Revelation. I don't know that. I do, however, know that the Church has never infallibly said the majority of souls are going to Hell, and she also teaches that mortal sin requires full consent of the will.[/quote] [b]The Narrow Gate Matthew 7: 13-14[/b] "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the road broad that leads to destruction, and those who enter through it are many. How narrow the gate and constricted the road that leads to life. And those who find it are few. " Why do you keep talking about numbers only God is Judge only He knows the "many". But He did speak of it! God Bless Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 Jason, My point is I think we do a grave diservice to our non-Christians friends when we say the majority of the world is goign to hell. It really just makes them look at us like, "Geez, he think he's better then me". It doesn't really get any conversions. What [i]will[/i] get them however is if we explain to our non-Christian friends why sin is wrong and why they should live a Christian life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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