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BG45

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[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1297804480' post='2212651']
Of that list, Ron Paul for sure (by a long shot), but seeing as he is a politician I'm not sure I trust him either.
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I tend not to trust anyone who summons secessionist Neo-Confederates to testify before Congress.

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Nihil Obstat

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[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1297807460' post='2212682']
I tend not to trust anyone who summons secessionist Neo-Confederates to testify before Congress.
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Thomas DiLorenzo? As far as I can tell he was talking economics, not secession.

Here's an article DiLorenzo wrote after testifying:
[url="http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo201.html"]My Associations with Liars, Bigots, and Murderers[/url]

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BG45

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[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1297807773' post='2212685']
Thomas DiLorenzo? As far as I can tell he was talking economics, not secession.

Here's an article DiLorenzo wrote after testifying:
[url="http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo201.html"]My Associations with Liars, Bigots, and Murderers[/url]
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Got it in one. :) And no, he wasn't discussing secession this time. I was merely pointing out he's a noted member of a movement whose very purpose is to essentially destroy the body he was testifying before.

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Nihil Obstat

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[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1297807887' post='2212686']
Got it in one. :) And no, he wasn't discussing secession this time. I was merely pointing out he's a noted member of a movement whose very purpose is to essentially destroy the body he was testifying before.
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Are you talking about the League of the South? According to Mr. DiLorenzo, that was actually an outright lie on the part of whichever Congressman said it. An example of that shoddy journalism you hate. He apparently did a lecture for them once thirteen years ago. This is according to him.
(Also, wasn't that an ad hominem or something along those lines?)

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Sternhauser

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[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1297807887' post='2212686']
I tend not to trust anyone who summons secessionist Neo-Confederates to testify before Congress.
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Yes. Like Thomas Jefferson himself, who affirmed the right of secession, and who was a key player in a Confederation himself, if you will recall. In other words, you're opposed to anyone who believes in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights testifying before Congress. Amendments IX and X are key.

I think you need to watch a video with Thomas Woods, an ideological compatriot of Tom DiLorenzo.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrcM5exDxcc[/media]

~Sternhauser

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Socrates

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[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1297655069' post='2212148']
None of the above.
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[quote name='rachael' timestamp='1297690484' post='2212258']
nada
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[size="5"][b]DEFEND CHANGE!![/b][/size]

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thessalonian

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Hey, where are the two options from my socialist republic of minnesota. Backman and Palenty?

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BG45

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[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1297807971' post='2212687']
Are you talking about the League of the South? According to Mr. DiLorenzo, that was actually an outright lie on the part of whichever Congressman said it. An example of that shoddy journalism you hate. He apparently did a lecture for them once thirteen years ago. This is according to him.
(Also, wasn't that an ad hominem or something along those lines?)
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I didn't feel it was, but if it was then it was no more an ad hominem than most posts on Debate Table, I was stating my personal opinion on Representative Paul's taste in witnesses and how it influences my opinion of him as a politician. :) Although my views on the League of the South are [url="http://dixienet.org/rights/faq.shtml"]informed by its website.[/url]

[quote]Q: Does the LS advocate armed revolution or overthrow of the current US government?
A: No. We are not revolutionaries; therefore, we do not seek the overthrow of the US government. Rather, we seek, by peaceful and well-established legal and constitutional means, to separate ourselves from it. Recourse to the right of separation, or secession, is the very antithesis of armed revolution. Without it, men are not free. The right of secession is never more necessary than when it is denied. [/quote]

Secession, even peaceful secession results in the effective dissolution and destruction of the duly elected government of the United States.

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1297809887' post='2212706']
Yes. Like Thomas Jefferson himself, who affirmed the right of secession, and who was a key player in a Confederation himself, if you will recall. In other words, you're opposed to anyone who believes in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights testifying before Congress. Amendments IX and X are key.

I think you need to watch a video with Thomas Woods, an ideological compatriot of Tom DiLorenzo.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrcM5exDxcc[/media]

~Sternhauser
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Stern, I think you would be the first to agree with me that an individual is not beholden to agree with politicians. My own home state should not legally exist, and the Supreme Court said as much in a later court ruling as it seceded from another state, even though said other state had seceded from the Union. I disagree with a number of things Jefferson held dear, including that liberty must be continually renewed by the blood of Patriots and Tyrants.

I laughed at the video, it was pretty funny for the zombie host; especially invoking Godwin's Law. Though we've seen the states utilize their "duty bound to resist" idea of Madison and Jefferson a lot recently.

As for not supporting the ninth and tenth amendments of the Constitution, I do. Just because you disagree with me doesn't mean I do not.

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Nihil Obstat

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[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1297983823' post='2213417']
Secession, even peaceful secession results in the effective dissolution and destruction of the duly elected government of the United States.
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How, and for what reason?

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Sternhauser

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[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1297983823' post='2213417']
Secession, even peaceful secession results in the effective dissolution and destruction of the duly elected government of the United States. [/quote]

And an execution, even a just execution, results in the separation of a body-soul composite. Sometimes that act is justified. But I'd particularly like to hear your response to Nihil's question. It would be fruitful.

You ought to examine the meaning of "duly." "Necessary" and "appropriate" are two key components of that word. The United State is neither necessary nor appropriate.

A "union" maintained at gunpoint isn't much of a union. It is very much like a physically abusive marriage where the wife only stays because the husband says, "If you leave me, I'll find you and kill you!" Besides a possible indissoluble spiritual union of matrimony (a bond not present in any State), that's not a relationship based on union. That's a union based on violence. That kind of "union" is always unacceptable, no matter what form it takes.


[quote]Stern, I think you would be the first to agree with me that an individual is not beholden to agree with politicians. My own home state should not legally exist, and the Supreme Court said as much in a later court ruling as it seceded from another state, even though said other state had seceded from the Union. I disagree with a number of things Jefferson held dear, including that liberty must be continually renewed by the blood of Patriots and Tyrants.[/quote]

I have no problem with any of that. I may completely disagree with some parts of what you've said, but I have no problem with you believing it. How you act on those beliefs, on the other hand, may cause some issues.


[quote]As for not supporting the ninth and tenth amendments of the Constitution, I do. Just because you disagree with me doesn't mean I do not.[/quote]

Then the mini-States have the "right" to secede. Bottom line.

~Sternhauser

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