havok579257 Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 [quote name='apparently' timestamp='1298070550' post='2213707'] o, stop being silly [/quote] what about a spouse who lied. what about a spouse who when he said I lied. In fact he never believd in God or the authroity of the church and the only reason he got married was for the sex. so the entire marriage is a lie. what about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 [quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1299725212' post='2219708'] what about a spouse who lied. what about a spouse who when he said I lied. In fact he never believd in God or the authroity of the church and the only reason he got married was for the sex. so the entire marriage is a lie. what about that? [/quote] i thank god every day for my wife, i could not live without her. we are devoted to each other and have been from the day we wed. my cup overflows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 [quote name='apparently' timestamp='1299792043' post='2219910'] i thank god every day for my wife, i could not live without her. we are devoted to each other and have been from the day we wed. my cup overflows [/quote] Have you ever read the Canon Law passages regarding marriage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestertonian Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 My wife's marriage was annulled in a very orthodox diocese and she had children with her ex-husband (5 & 6 year old boys). After her conversion (she was a Jehova's Witness), we were married in the church, and I'm happy to report that almost four years later, we're a perfectly happy little family. Their biological father isn't a part of their lives, but our children know me and love me as their father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1299794743' post='2219928'] Have you ever read the Canon Law passages regarding marriage? [/quote] no. why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 [quote name='apparently' timestamp='1299800071' post='2219958'] no. why? [/quote] [url="http://www.catholicdoors.com/misc/marriage/canonlaw.htm"]It might help you understand this better.[/url] Canon 1057.1 A marriage is brought into being by the lawfully manifested consent of persons who are legally capable. This consent cannot be supplied by any human power. Canon 1057.2 Matrimonial consent is an act of will by which a man and a woman by an irrevocable covenant mutually give and accept one another for the purpose of establishing a marriage. Therefore if consent or legal capability are lacking, the marriage is invalid. Presence or absence of children or consummation is irrelevant. Canon 1066 Before a marriage takes place, it must be established that nothing stands in the way of its valid and lawful celebration. Canon 1068 In danger of death, if other proofs are not available, it suffices, unless there are contrary indications, to have the assertion of the parties, sworn if need be, that they are baptised and free of any impediment. Canon 1069 Before the celebration of a marriage, all the faithful are bound to reveal to the parish priest or the local Ordinary such impediments as they may know about. Implies that there are impediments to a valid marriage. Again, children or consummation is irrelevant. These are listed afterwards. Canon 1073 A diriment impediment renders a person incapable of validly contracting a marriage. Canon 1075.1 Only the supreme authority in the Church can authentically declare when the divine law prohibits or invalidates a marriage. A marriage can be invalidated. Consummation is irrelevant. Canon 1083.1 A man cannot validly enter marriage before the completion of his sixteenth year of age, nor a woman before the completion of her fourteenth year. Canon 1084.1 Antecedent and perpetual impotence to have sexual intercourse, whether on the part of the man or on that of the woman, whether absolute or relative, by its very nature invalidates marriage. Canon 1084.2 If the impediment of impotence is doubtful, whether the doubt be one of law or one of fact, the marriage is not to be prevented nor, while the doubt persists, is it to be declared null. Canon 1084.3 Without prejudice to the provisions of canon 1098, sterility neither forbids nor invalidates a marriage. Canon 1085.1 A person bound by the bond of a previous marriage, even if not consummated, invalidly attempts marriage. Canon 1085.2 Even though the previous marriage is invalid or for any reason dissolved, it is not thereby lawful to contract another marriage before the nullity or the dissolution of the previous one has been established lawfully and with certainty. Canon 1086.1 A marriage is invalid when one of the two persons was baptised in the catholic Church or received into it and has not by a formal act defected from it, and the other was not baptised. Canon 1086.2 This impediment is not to be dispensed unless the conditions mentioned in cann. 1125 and 1126 have been fulfilled. Canon 1086.3 If at the time the marriage was contracted one party was commonly understood to be baptised, or if his or her baptism was doubtful, the validity of the marriage is to be presumed in accordance with canon 1060, until it is established with certainty that one party was baptised and the other was not. Canon 1087 Those who are in sacred orders invalidly attempt marriage. Canon 1088 Those who are bound by a public perpetual vow of chastity in a religious institute invalidly attempt marriage. Canon 1089 No marriage can exist between a man and a woman who has been abducted, or at least detained, with a view to contracting a marriage with her, unless the woman, after she has been separated from her abductor and established in a safe and free place, chooses marriage of her own accord. Canon 1090.1 One who, with a view to entering marriage with a particular person, has killed that person's spouse, or his or her own spouse, invalidly attempts this marriage. Canon 1090.2 They also invalidly attempt marriage with each other who, by mutual physical or moral action, brought about the death of either's spouse. Canon 1091.1 Marriage is invalid between those related by consanguinity in all degrees of the direct line, whether ascending or descending, legitimate or natural. Canon 1091.2 In the collateral line, it is invalid up to the fourth degree inclusive. Canon 1091.3 The impediment of consanguinity is not multiplied. Canon 1091.4 A marriage is never to be permitted if a doubt exists as to whether the parties are related by consanguinity in any degree of the direct line, or in the second degree of the collateral line. Canon 1092 Affinity in any degree of the direct line invalidates marriage. Canon 1093 The impediment of public propriety arises when a couple live together after an invalid marriage, or from a notorious or public concubinage. It invalidates marriage in the first degree of the direct line between the man and those related by consanguinity to the woman, and vice versa. Canon 1094 Those who are legally related by reason of adoption cannot validly marry each other if their relationship is in the direct line or in the second degree of the collateral line. Canon 1095.1 The following are incapable of contracting marriage: Canon 1095.1.1 those who lack sufficient use of reason; Canon 1095.1.2 those who suffer from a grave lack of discretionary judgement concerning the essential matrimonial rights and obligations to be mutually given and accepted; Canon 1095.1.3 those who, because of causes of a psychological nature, are unable to assume the essential obligations of marriage. Canon 1096.1 For matrimonial consent to exist, it is necessary that the contracting parties be at least not ignorant of the fact that marriage is a permanent partnership between a man and a woman, ordered to the procreation of children through some form of sexual cooperation. Canon 1096.2 This ignorance is not presumed after puberty. Canon 1097.1 Error about a person renders a marriage invalid. Canon 1097.2 Error about a quality of the person, even though it be the reason for the contract, does not render a marriage invalid unless this quality is directly and principally intended. Canon 1098 A person contracts invalidly who enters marriage inveigled by deceit, perpetrated in order to secure consent, concerning some quality of the other party, which of its very nature can seriously disrupt the partnership of conjugal life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1299800685' post='2219964'] [url="http://www.catholicdoors.com/misc/marriage/canonlaw.htm"]It might help you understand this better.[/url] [/quote] you left out this: [b]1601[/b] "The matrimonial covenant, by which a man and a woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life, is by its nature ordered toward the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring; this covenant between baptized persons has been raised by Christ the Lord to the dignity of a sacrament."[sup]84[/sup] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 [quote name='apparently' timestamp='1299802619' post='2219970'] you left out this: [b]1601[/b] "The matrimonial covenant, by which a man and a woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life, is by its nature ordered toward the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring; this covenant between baptized persons has been raised by Christ the Lord to the dignity of a sacrament."[sup]84[/sup] [/quote] Did you read that bit about how marriages can be invalid? I.e. they never existed. Ipso facto, there is no indissoluble, lifelong partnership, because no marriage exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 [quote name='Chestertonian' timestamp='1299797210' post='2219946'] My wife's marriage was annulled in a very orthodox diocese and she had children with her ex-husband (5 & 6 year old boys). After her conversion (she was a Jehova's Witness), we were married in the church, and I'm happy to report that almost four years later, we're a perfectly happy little family. Their biological father isn't a part of their lives, but our children know me and love me as their father. [/quote] God bless you. children need or deserve a mom and dad, i hear sad stories all the time from co-workers in bitter divorces, and utter loneliness and despair. the children get caught in the middle and it is not there cross to bare. so sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1299802713' post='2219974'] Did you read that bit about how marriages can be invalid? I.e. they never existed. Ipso facto, there is no indissoluble, lifelong partnership, because no marriage exists. [/quote] a woman can get a legal abortion too, it doesn't make it right.. Ipso facto, Edited March 11, 2011 by apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 [quote name='apparently' timestamp='1299803426' post='2219976'] a woman can get a legal abortion too, it doesn't make it right.. Ipso facto, [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardillacid Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1299803982' post='2219979'] [/quote] concurrence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 [quote name='apparently' timestamp='1299803426' post='2219976'] a woman can get a legal abortion too, it doesn't make it right.. Ipso facto, [/quote] Are you for real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1299807667' post='2219992'] Are you for real? [/quote] Ipso facto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Do you know what it means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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