The Legalistation/decriminalisation Of Cannabis.

[MarkKurallSchuenemann]

[quote name='rachael' timestamp='1297525578' post='2211674']
Do you have the statistics on this?
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No, but I have life experiences on minors and cigarettes. If a minor wants it, they will go to someone who will get that for them who is old enough or has a fake id.

It'll be the same with marijuana cigarettes. Don't expect a huge explosion of minors who will start smoking them because it's easier to get them.

There is one good thing, if you think about it, minors won't be going to dealers for it anymore, and dealers are the one's who will introduce harder stuff - now they will be able to get it from people who won't offer the harder stuff!

[southern california guy]

[quote name='MarkKurallSchuenemann' timestamp='1297525857' post='2211675']
No, but I have life experiences on minors and cigarettes. If a minor wants it, they will go to someone who will get that for them who is old enough or has a fake id.

It'll be the same with marijuana cigarettes. Don't expect a huge explosion of minors who will start smoking them because it's easier to get them.

There is one good thing, if you think about it, minors won't be going to dealers for it anymore, and dealers are the one's who will introduce harder stuff - now they will be able to get it from people who won't offer the harder stuff!
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That is true. It probably is a "gateway" drug when the people that they buy the marijuana from also sell crystal meth and other bad stuff.

[rachael]

[quote name='MarkKurallSchuenemann' timestamp='1297525857' post='2211675']
No, but I have life experiences on minors and cigarettes. If a minor wants it, they will go to someone who will get that for them who is old enough or has a fake id.

It'll be the same with marijuana cigarettes. Don't expect a huge explosion of minors who will start smoking them because it's easier to get them.

There is one good thing, if you think about it, minors won't be going to dealers for it anymore, and dealers are the one's who will introduce harder stuff - now they will be able to get it from people who won't offer the harder stuff!
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I still want to see statistical fact, rather than opinion on this.

Also...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/08/us-smoking-pot-idUSTRE7166BI20110208

[MarkKurallSchuenemann]

[quote name='rachael' timestamp='1297601933' post='2211931']
I still want to see statistical fact, rather than opinion on this.

Also...
[url="http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/08/us-smoking-pot-idUSTRE7166BI20110208"]http://www.reuters.c...E7166BI20110208[/url]

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[MarkKurallSchuenemann]

[quote name='rachael' timestamp='1297601933' post='2211931']
I still want to see statistical fact, rather than opinion on this.

Also...
[url="http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/08/us-smoking-pot-idUSTRE7166BI20110208"]http://www.reuters.c...E7166BI20110208[/url]

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[font="verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][/size][/font][quote][font="verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"] Not all researchers agree that the association between cannabis[sup] [/sup]use and earlier age at onset is causal. Sevy et al[sup][url="http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/archgenpsychiatry.2011.5#REF-YMA05005-16"]16[/sup] argue that[sup] [/sup]the association between cannabis use and earlier age at onset[sup] [/sup]could be explained by demographic variables, including lower[sup] [/sup]socioeconomic status and the proportion of male cannabis users.[sup] [/sup]Wade[sup][/url][url="http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/archgenpsychiatry.2011.5#REF-YMA05005-17"]17[/sup] has suggested that the apparent association between earlier[sup] [/sup]age at onset and cannabis use might simply be owing to older[sup] [/sup]patients with first-episode psychosis being less likely to use[sup] [/sup]cannabis.

[/size][/font][font="verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"]If an association between cannabis use and an earlier age at[sup] [/sup]onset of psychotic disorder were confirmed, the finding would[sup] [/sup]lend support to the possible existence of a causal link between[sup] [/sup]cannabis use and psychosis. This would in turn stimulate research[sup] [/sup]into how cannabis can disrupt brain development and increase[sup] [/sup]the vulnerability to developing psychosis. Evidence already[sup] [/sup]shows that cannabis exposure is associated with a decline in[sup] [/sup]cognitive performance in young people without psychosis[sup][/url][url="http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/archgenpsychiatry.2011.5#REF-YMA05005-18"]18[/sup] and[sup] [/sup]a loss of cortical thickness in early schizophrenia.[sup][/url][url="http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/archgenpsychiatry.2011.5#REF-YMA05005-19"]19-[/url][url="http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/archgenpsychiatry.2011.5#REF-YMA05005-20"]20[/sup] Other[sup] [/sup]research suggests the presence of a gene [font="arial,helvetica"]x[/font] environment[sup] [/sup]interaction involving cannabis and a functional polymorphism[sup] [/sup]in the enzyme catechol [i]O[/i] -methyltransferase so that cannabis[sup] [/sup]users with the Val/Val catechol [i]O[/i] -methyltransferase genotype[sup] [/sup]are at greater risk for developing psychosis[sup][/url][url="http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/archgenpsychiatry.2011.5#REF-YMA05005-21"]21[/sup] and have a significantly[sup] [/sup]younger age at onset than people with Met/Met or Val/Met alleles.[sup][/url]<a href="http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/archgenpsychiatry.2011.5#REF-YMA05005-22">22[/sup][/size][/font][/quote]

That is a quote from the study the article links too. It is not conclusive, and science never should be conclusive on anything.

There may be correlations, but no direct proof of that assertation. However, that doesn't prevent journalists to bring up articles.

[quote]
[b]Why was there disagreement in the past over whether this effect really exists[/b]? The reasons lie in the way the individual studies might have been done, the researchers say in their article, published in the Archives of General Psychiatry.[/quote]

Well, according to the study they linked too - the journalist printed a falsehood! There is still disagreements!

[Peter John]

From the Book of Wisdom, Chapter 1:
14 For he fashioned all things that they might have being; and the creatures of the world are wholesome, And there is not a destructive drug among them nor any domain of the nether world on earth,
15 For justice is undying.

I first heard this as part of a Sunday reading in Mass (ticked my wife off). Note that this does not refer to what Man has processed, but what God has made.

If my state had a medical marijuana law, I could and would take full advantage of it. The only reason I do not use it now is that it would disrespect my Knight of Columbus brothers who are in law enforcement. The Church is about communion, and we need to be able to face each other without reservation and with respect.

"The only proof we believe in miracles is taking action when only a miracle can make a difference"
-- Peter John

[Peter John]

Wisdom 1

14 For he fashioned all things that they might have being; and the creatures of the world are wholesome, And there is not a destructive drug among them nor any domain of the nether world on earth,
15 For justice is undying.

When it gets legalized, I will be first in line.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Peter John' timestamp='1298076417' post='2213724']
From the Book of Wisdom, Chapter 1:
14 For he fashioned all things that they might have being; and the creatures of the world are wholesome, And there is not a destructive drug among them nor any domain of the nether world on earth,
15 For justice is undying.

I first heard this as part of a Sunday reading in Mass (ticked my wife off). Note that this does not refer to what Man has processed, but what God has made.

If my state had a medical marijuana law, I could and would take full advantage of it. The only reason I do not use it now is that it would disrespect my Knight of Columbus brothers who are in law enforcement. The Church is about communion, and we need to be able to face each other without reservation and with respect.

"The only proof we believe in miracles is taking action when only a miracle can make a difference"
-- Peter John
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[quote name='Peter John' timestamp='1298084284' post='2213744']
Wisdom 1

14 For he fashioned all things that they might have being; and the creatures of the world are wholesome, And there is not a destructive drug among them nor any domain of the nether world on earth,
15 For justice is undying.

When it gets legalized, I will be first in line.
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There are plenty of things out there in nature which are not fit for human consumption. In fact, there's quite a few plants and animals that are deadly poisonous to consume.

Just because a plant grows out there in nature doesn't mean you should smoke it. Extremely weak argument there.


PS - I always find it ironic how a lot of liberals who are all about pot legalization are also in favor of any action taken against "big tobacco."

[Ice_nine]

It's kinda laughable that weed is classified as a schedule I drug.

It's even more funny when you're totally high.

[kamiller42]

Marijuana and other narcotics should remain illegal. Medicinal drugs, not marijuana, should remain regulated. Saying "But alcohol gets to..." does nothing to justify legalizing marijuana and frankly, sounds a bit childish. Papist's argument was the best and logical response to the alcohol argument.

Myths (abridged) of legalizing marijuana:
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[*]Will reduce consumption and/or control over consumption.
[*]Will reduce violence.
[*]Will result in minor irreparable harm to people and communities.
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[Laudate_Dominum]

If u hear any noise it's just me and teh boys. sucka man.

ppl ought to have teh right to explore reality and determine what it all means (or doesn't mean) and drugs are an important part of this, especially things like peyote and ayahuasca. it is like freedom of religion man. lighten up.

This tyranny of prissy and didactic European sensibilities has lasted far too long.

Put a glide in your stride, a dip in your hip and come on up to the mothership.






jk (mostly)

[Laudate_Dominum]

wow. i'm actually surprised that weed is winning in the poll. fascinating. i can recall some old skewl threads in which booze got pwned, now weed is cool. lol.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Ice_nine' timestamp='1298330512' post='2214513']
It's kinda laughable that weed is classified as a schedule I drug.

It's even more funny when you're totally high.
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[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1298312600' post='2214436']
PS - I always find it ironic how a lot of liberals who are all about pot legalization are also in favor of any action taken against "big tobacco."
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I'm not against tobacco either.
I won't smoke it because I think it's unhealthy and pretty gross, but I won't tell anyone else not to smoke.

[Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam]

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1298312600' post='2214436']
PS - I always find it ironic how a lot of liberals who are all about pot legalization are also in favor of any action taken against "big tobacco."
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I also find this odd. Personally I smoke a tobacco pipe on occasion. The ritual of it all is almost as calming as smoking with friends.