A Message From Fr Konik Regarding A Phatmass Rule

[franciscanheart]

[quote name='Moosey' timestamp='1296698775' post='2208037']
Im a fraf. That's probably why.
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what is "fraf"?

[quote name='Moosey' timestamp='1296699108' post='2208039']
I wouldn't say that that mission statement alone puts across the rule that there should be no in depth theological discussions very clearly.
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That's not the point, I don't think.

[Moosey]

[quote name='hugheyforlife' timestamp='1296699164' post='2208040']
what is "fraf"?


That's not the point, I don't think.
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A fraf is someone who lets snot run down their face. A term invented by my fraternal grandfather.


I understand that that's not the point. I was just pointing out that it's not as obvious to some people as it is to us who have been around pretty much since the beginning.

[dUSt]

Regardless, I think we can all agree that jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) is snarky.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1296699567' post='2208043']
Regardless, I think we can all agree that jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) is snarky.
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Was that ever in doubt?

[CatherineM]

I can see the difference between a theological discussion in trans, and a head banging against a wall debate about something like communion in the hand or OF/EF where people aren't going to agree, and no real discussion goes on, just crankiness.

[Lil Red]

us, cranky?

[Moosey]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1296705433' post='2208060']
us, cranky?
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[CatherineM]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1296705433' post='2208060']
us, cranky?
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For me, it's especially bad after a fight about the death penalty. It makes me very cranky, and no one wants to see me like that.

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1296681624' post='2207884']
My beef a few months ago was more with that weird oath thing and the manner and context in which is was asserted. I've seriously tried to avoid novus ordo debates on PM over the years, although I'm sure if someone combed through my posts they could find times when I failed. lol.
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This. I do, actually, remember getting into somewhat heated debates over liturgy several years ago (2004? 2005?) but it's typically not my bag. Personally I found the debate experience to be one of the best learning experiences I had because I was forced to research my position in order to accurately state it. My issue, which I stated clearly at the time, was with the oath and the novel interpretation of the rule, or at the least what appeared to be a novel interpretation of the rule.

I've been a member here a long time -- since before I was Catholic -- and I've seen people who were teenagers when they joined meet, marry, and have children. Heck, in the time since I joined, I've moved three states away, started and finished law school, gotten married, and become a mother. I think it's great to have an Internet community that's focused primarily on youth and evangelism, but we're kidding ourselves if we think that has been the community's focus the entire time of its existence. I remember a time when our mission/motto/whatever was something along the lines of "Introducing Catholics to Catholicism." Heck, if the focus is on youth and evangelization, why do we have age-restricted boards on raising children and beer? Those things are great, but seems off-topic when it comes to youth and evangelization. Those are the kinds of boards that you make to accommodate a diverse community of members, which phatmass has.

But whatever. Dust, if you want to reclaim the site's roots, and re-invigorate your original vision, I think that's great, and I wish you all the best. I have been visiting and will continue to do so.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff)' timestamp='1296696604' post='2208022']
This may sound snarky but this thing has been up describing the Phatmass mission since before I started posting here. I'm not sure how you (and others) may have missed it. Maybe dUSt needs to make it more prominent but its always been there.
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[quote] With orthodoxy, charity and humility, phatmass will infiltrate the entire
planet earth with Catholic propaganda via innovative multimedia.[/quote]
Meh, Iunno. I don't think that's a particularly specific mission statement. It entails evangelization obviously, but without being very specific it doesn't seem to me to exclude that to which we're referring.

Like I said, I didn't come here for the evangelization. Evangelization is great, necessary of course, but I didn't feel ready to get in on it until I knew the faith well enough myself, which is why I was here. If that's not what it's for, then like I said, so be it. Chalk it up to a two and a half year misunderstanding. No worries.

[Jesus_lol]

really, how many young people do we actually have on PM now? there is a reason the creepy alien board went the way of the dodo, unfortunately.

half the membership here is old enough to have had several kids by now.

as a noncatholic who is being "evangelized" by being in this board, i cast my vote in for learning about Catholicism, thorns and all, rather than a distilled version.

[Lil Red]

i feel as old as that dude on the banner.

[ExCorde]

I'm not sure how it has more to do with age than it has to do with how one's faith has matured and will mature through it. When I was 17 I remember I read something about the examples mentioned in the rule - sure, I wanted to know what the heck that was all about. But how effectively did it come across to me as a young adult? Just a bunch of rambling that didn't seem to be in touch with the real world or the things I had yet to discover that made offering my life to Christ relevant and meaningful.

I think that if ample discussion is allowed on matters of preference it [i]does[/i] distract us from deepening our understanding of the essentials simply because our eyes are elsewhere. I'm not saying people shouldn't be told those thorns don't exist, but rather that it's too specialized for us to entertain. A few comments suggest that in the past, when this was tried, the result wasn't much. You can always take it into a private discussion. Therefore I think it's a wise rule and am glad it's in place as well as the way it was now placed under revision. I'm impressed.

Incidentally, I noticed the birthday list today and the members were mostly 20-somethings (noone over 40). I guess that, technically, that's "old enough to have several kids by now."

TL;DR: Thanks for keeping it real, there's a hurting world out there.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

I am going to pray for you al tonight okay

ewtn: "there is no mercy without justice and no justice without mercy"

Boundaries: JC draws a line in the sand"Whomsoever without sin cross this line" if we don't read to much into it,this act of jesus may be a simple example of creating boundaries that no one should go over that mark stones at so to speak because there your boundaries to protect the lives of others and yourself dust,if my discernment is correct than jesus is very pleased with you.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

oh and as long as the rule has been clearly stated than it is not to be broken,and if somone does accidently/or delibrately accidently the person may get more chances if stumbling accidenlty into breaking the rule but somone whom breaks it delibratly multiple times is going to be given less credance.