Marijuana

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='rachael' timestamp='1296176018' post='2205446']
Maybe I'm a wuss.

It gets my Matt buzzed.

lol my matt.
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I just texted my brother about it. Maybe I'm just weird. He says it's a 5-10 minute buzz, and that it's not at all like getting high. He says high isn't as fun as a hookah buzz. lol

[Guest]

lol

[Papist]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1296174902' post='2205427']
Interestingly enough, I don't think marijuana is chemically addictive like nicotine is.
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I don't think marijuana is addictive. I know someone that has been using marijuana for 20 years and isn't addicted.

[Jesus_lol]

well, cant believe some general misconceptions in this thread. this should clear things up as to exactly what effects and how long they last, etc marijuana has, smoked, or ingested, etc.
[url="http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_effects.shtml"]http://www.erowid.or...s_effects.shtml[/url] every article there and fact should have a citation linked nearby to a scientific study, peer reviewed.


if that is a little bit to much swimming in the deepend here is a basic over view of marijuana, touching on effects, legality, etc
[url="http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_basics.shtml"]http://www.erowid.or...is_basics.shtml[/url]






[quote name='Papist' timestamp='1296145037' post='2205063']
[left]Recreational use of marijuana may or may not be sinful in and of itself - at one time, it was legal (so was cocaine) and it was not considered a sin at that time. [/left]
[left]However, today it is illegal, and the reasons include that it is easy to become addicted to it, it has unknown effects on the brain (some people experience loss of memory, loss of speech/language skills, lack of ambition and other kinds of brain damage) and it can lead to risky behavior (thinking it's okay to jump off a high building, for example). The "come-down" after you're high also sometimes is accompanied by feelings of paranoia - irrational fear.
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Well, you cant really become chemically addicted to weed. like anything that feels good(tea in the morning, sex, checking both ways for zombies) it can be somewhat habit forming, though nearly all of those effects are in the mind. the only real "withdrawal" is that you can feel kind of bummed if you quit smoking pot after doing it regularily daily.

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1296148245' post='2205073']
You're a cop ? You can overdose on weed for sure. Really easy. And its really strong. My dad found some of my weed before and him and my uncle couldn't believe how much stronger it was to the stuff they had growing up. So its dangerous for sure. That was 5 or 6 years ago.
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Wrong, there has not been a single case ever reported of an overdose of just weed(obviously someone smoking a bit of pot and then inhaling a half kilogram of cocaine and dying, its not really the weed's fault). Given how extremely common pot smoking is world wide, i would consider the chances of an overdoese to be beaver dam near impossible. you would probably get alchohol poisoning quicker from eating rumballs, than you would get any serious physical effects from oversmoking weed.

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1296154392' post='2205114']
Would legalizing help weaken the Mexican drug cartels?
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yup. It wouldnt make a difference here in BC, because importing mexican weed that is crappier than the local stuff just wouldnt make sense. I actually had a guy in guatemala try to sell me weed as "grown in vancouver".

but yeah, prohibition is the easiest comparison to make. even without that bit of precedence, simple supply/demand and undercutting legal competition would drive them out of business before you finished rolling that joint you just bought at the 7/11.


[quote name='JoyfulLife' timestamp='1296159992' post='2205198']
It's illegal as far as I know.

I've heard it can cause hallucinations, unreality, delusions, psychosis, craziness, etc. Nooooooooooo thank you.

A totally different ballgame from having a glass of martini, margarita, wine, etc.

Just say no to drugs, eh?
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You might be thinking of other drugs, such as LSD. Afaik, hallucinations from weedsmoking are extremely rare, and not very intense if at all. hollywood has kind of bastardized that, showing stoners experiencing wild hallucinations. if you want those try LSD, mushrooms, or Datura(only if you want to be absolutely terrified. dont try datura )


[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1296162400' post='2205232']
Yeah - prostitution, even child prostitution, abortion, all murder . . .

After all, the enrichment of the state is a much more worthy goal than petty concerns like morality.
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As long as we are taking valid concepts and taking them extremely out of context, extrapolating to other situations, wouldn't any "big governent hating american patriot" support the legalization of marijuana? heck that is actually fairly relevant. It would be blatantly hypocritical to preach anti government intervention and handouts(the war on drugs is basically the best funded welfare ever, with the drug dealers being the recipients) and then say that it should be governments job to impose such a restriction.

[quote name='Papist' timestamp='1296170490' post='2205357']
It's a stretch b/c I think it is apples and oranges.
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Says the person who has never eaten an "orange".


try them, they are good with breakfast.

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1296172707' post='2205385']
I have a feeling that with legalized marijuana, we'd find very quickly a huge variety of 'strengths'. Just like we have high proof liquor and very low proof beer... you can drink anything from 1% to 99.6% ABV alcohol. Only alcoholics will sit down and drink hard liquor the same way they'd drink beer. I think it's reasonable to assume that the same can be true for marijuana.
As it stands, there's no economic incentive for 'weaker' marijuana, because most people smoke it just to get high. This would no longer be the case if it was not illegal.
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That is reasonable. the articles i linked above do show that a variety of strengths are available "one hit s**t" being the equivalent of a shot of Bacardi 151, a wide range of strengths in the middle and then going back to 1960s strength weed(like american extra light beer)

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1296174248' post='2205411']
I do know when I was a kid, my dad use to smoke marijuana, and I don't remember him ever being high, All I know is he'd smoke a joint before watching Kung Fu.
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this is a sweet sentence, and it should be recognized as such


[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1296174902' post='2205427']
Interestingly enough, I don't think marijuana is chemically addictive like nicotine is.
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we have a winner! you are right, it is not even comparable to something as addictive as nicotine. even unmodified natural tobacco, contains a significant amount of nicotine, but once you get into the chemist's insane experiment that is a modern cigarrette, things are getting pretty hairy.

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1296174948' post='2205429']
Nick (J_lol) knows those stats better than I do though.
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thanks




Heck, it is worth looking up two other countries to see effects of hard drugs(not just weed, but like heroin) being legalized. Portugal legalized ALL drugs years ago, setting government rehabilitation centers in for some cases, instead of jailtime, but generally removing all criminal charges related to drugs, and things are going pretty well over there. the amount of drug addicted people is going down actually.

And even more so for amsterdam(i believe) who started GIVING HEROIN to addicts as of 2004. They have seen a sizable reduction in heroin addicts, and doing hard drugs is no longer a "badass, cool rebel thing" for the children anymore. They dont see drug dealers in cadillacs and rockstars doing heroin, they see a bunch of pathetic dudes lined up waiting for their fix. the glamour is gone.

and the heroin addicts(i believe only the really addicted are being given drugs, basically with no hope of rehab) are doing better as well.
think about it. How much of the negative aspects of heroin are related to it's legal status, and how much are related to the substance itself?

The violence between dealers, police/dealer interactions and shootouts, addicts stealing stuff and robbing people to afford their next fix, becoming destitute because society has no place for them, and their drug of choice is insanely over priced, addicts having to do business with cutthroats daily, being poisoned by drugs that are impure, or have been cut with rat poison, etc to make it seem more potent, limited access to healthcare, dirty needles, the list goes on.

Once you take those aspects away, it is actually quite possible for a drug user(even of hard drugs) to be a functioning member of society.




Nihil obstat also has a good article up his sleeve about the historic legality of drugs.

Edited January 28, 2011 by Jesus_lol

[Guest]

I meant over dose as in get to high. Like when you get to drunk. But that's not the overdose you're talking about. Thanks for correcting me.

[Papist]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1296174248' post='2205411']
I know a little something about weed. When I use to smoke it, I smoked it to get high. But, during that period in my life, I only drank to get drunk.

Now that I am wise, I drink craft beer because I love the taste, and the experience of trying new things. I never get drunk.

I do know when I was a kid, my dad use to smoke marijuana, and I don't remember him ever being high. All I know is he'd smoke a joint before watching Kung Fu.
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Craft beer is amesome. I just got my January shipment of Beer of the Month Club today.

[ardillacid]

hash cookiesf

[Tony]

It should be legalized or senior citizens at the very least. Arresting Willie Nelson for possession is silly. Just leave them along and let them do their thing

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Tony' timestamp='1296198637' post='2205630']
It should be legalized or senior citizens at the very least. Arresting Willie Nelson for possession is silly. Just leave them along and let them do their thing
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On what basis is it moral for seniors, but not for younger people?

[rachael]

[quote name='Tony' timestamp='1296198637' post='2205630']
It should be legalized or senior citizens at the very least. Arresting Willie Nelson for possession is silly. Just leave them along and let them do their thing
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Why old man Willie and not me? He was young once.

[IcePrincessKRS]

Apparently I was way too involved in this thread. Last night I dreamed I was smoking a hookah. lol

[MIKolbe]

i smoke a hookah.

[rachael]

[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' timestamp='1296226316' post='2205706']
Apparently I was way too involved in this thread. Last night I dreamed I was smoking a hookah. lol
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And I've been craving one all day. Srsly, it's been a long time.

[Socrates]

Be an original.

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[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='rachael' timestamp='1296233817' post='2205751']
And I've been craving one all day. Srsly, it's been a long time.
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I'm really hoping my friends bring theirs out this weekend. lol