Guest Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) Ok without bing judgemental wouldn't someone like Joseph Smith who started the mormon church rub God the wrong way. I mean this idiot started a religion that mimics christianity. So all these mormons think theyre christian when theyre not. I mean what good could come from this croutons. This guy has to go to hell for this right ? I know I know we don't know the answer to that but come on. At least someone like Luther got the trinity right and didn't do the evil things Mr. Smith did. I know some will say Luther is just as bad but I don't see how. But that's not what this is about. This is about Joseph Smith and his cunning attack on God and christianity. Look at all the souls he has led astray. Edited January 27, 2011 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 At least a protestants baptism is valid. At least they get Gods grace from the sacrament. Look at a mormon. They think they're gettting baptised but they're really not. That's shady and really not fair to them. They're victims big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Man how do you do what this guy did in life ? Start the mormon church ? Are you serious ? Like how do you do that ? How do you get used by satan that hardcore ? Is it destined ? Jesus and satan were brothers ? What ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ralph Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 A bit of reading about Martin Luther might be profitable. Joseph Smith deluded several thousand people in New York and Missouri who have, almost two centuries later, become severla hundred thousand, mostly in the USA, who practice a pagan religion. Martin Luther, however, was the first standard-bearer of a movement which eventually cost Christianity all of Europe and most of North America. Hundreds of millions of people have lived and died without the sacramental life due to Protestantism. It led to the "enlightenment", atheistic materialism in France and Northern Europe, the loss of the British empire to Anglicanism, Communism, and eventually the World Wars. It could be convincingly argued that because Protestantism broke Europe away from the Church and decimated the military might of combines Europe, it allowed Islam to flourish. Joseph Smith was a crackpot, Luther may have been the most destructive man who ever lived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Well at least protestants baptism are valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Ralph' timestamp='1296101293' post='2204885'] A bit of reading about Martin Luther might be profitable. Joseph Smith deluded several thousand people in New York and Missouri who have, almost two centuries later, become severla hundred thousand, mostly in the USA, who practice a pagan religion. Martin Luther, however, was the first standard-bearer of a movement which eventually cost Christianity all of Europe and most of North America. Hundreds of millions of people have lived and died without the sacramental life due to Protestantism. It led to the "enlightenment", atheistic materialism in France and Northern Europe, the loss of the British empire to Anglicanism, Communism, and eventually the World Wars. It could be convincingly argued that because Protestantism broke Europe away from the Church and decimated the military might of combines Europe, it allowed Islam to flourish. Joseph Smith was a crackpot, Luther may have been the most destructive man who ever lived. [/quote] I believe that I agree with each word of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ralph Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 [quote]Well at least protestants baptism are valid. [/quote] Yes, most of them have been ruled so. And, this is a very good thing. However, with only a few exceptions, even Baptized people do tend to eventually commit mortal sins, and at this point the flaws and deficiencies in protestantism become critical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Ralph' timestamp='1296102505' post='2204895'] Yes, most of them have been ruled so. And, this is a very good thing. However, with only a few exceptions, even Baptized people do tend to eventually commit mortal sins, and at this point the flaws and deficiencies in protestantism become critical. [/quote] Yea I agree the protestants still need to repent. I bet a ton of them don't. But the same can be said with catholics. This day and age no one repents and no one fears God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jegudiel Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I've always thought that some of the precepts of Mormonism were so bizarre, it's hard for me to see how anyone could accept them. When the missionaries first come to your door, they probably don't tell you about the planet Kolob and the Jesus & Satan as brothers thing. If they did, they would gain precisely zero converts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='jegudiel' timestamp='1296102668' post='2204898'] I've always thought that some of the precepts of Mormonism were so bizarre, it's hard for me to see how anyone could accept them. When the missionaries first come to your door, they probably don't tell you about the planet Kolob and the Jesus & Satan as brothers thing. If they did, they would gain precisely zero converts. [/quote] Ya exactly dude. Its the fact they use the bible and they believe in God Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I think today they are even trying to appear more mainstream and christian. I don't know how someone Glen Beck who is so outspoken about God and everything can remian a mormon. It baffles me. I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='jegudiel' timestamp='1296102668' post='2204898'] I've always thought that some of the precepts of Mormonism were so bizarre, it's hard for me to see how anyone could accept them. When the missionaries first come to your door, they probably don't tell you about the planet Kolob and the Jesus & Satan as brothers thing. If they did, they would gain precisely zero converts. [/quote] Ya exactly dude. Its the fact they use the bible and they believe in God Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I think today they are even trying to appear more mainstream and christian. I don't know how someone Glen Beck who is so outspoken about God and everything can remian a mormon. It baffles me. I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ralph Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 [quote]Yea I agree the protestants still need to repent. I bet a ton of them don't. But the same can be said with catholics. This day and age no one repents and no one fears God. [/quote] I agree that great damage has been done to the Chruch in the last 100 years. It is for this reason that some people strive to regain and preserve authentic Catholic tradition, part of which is penitence. In the Traditional Latin Mass, one section of the Canon, the [i]Nobis quoque peccatoribus, [/i]the priest says: [i]Deign to give also to us, Your unworthy servants, hoping from the great number of Your mercies, some part and fellowship with John, Stephan, Matthias, Barnabas, Ignatius, Alexander, Marcellinus, Peter, Felicity, Perpetua, Agatha, Lucy, Agnes, Cecilia, Anastasia and all Your saints: amongst whose lot admit us we beg You, not as the appraiser of our intrinsic merit, but the gracious bestower of forgiveness. Through Christ our Lord. [/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeresaBenedicta Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I almost became Mormon when I was searching for the true Church. To me it came down to either the Mormon or Catholic church. Not coming from a Christian background to begin with, I didn't have any preconceived notions about what God's truth in this world would mean and since the existence of God was such a crazy concept to me in the first place... I don't know what to think about Joseph Smith. He [i]wasn't[/i] an educated man. So that had to have been one heck of a work of the Evil One... I don't know. Had to have been, knowing the truth now... Crazy things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southern california guy Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 When I lived in Utah I had a non-Mormon friend tell me "Think of Mormonism as a big business -- with all of the dynamics that you would find within a big business." I think that some people get into it because they're looking for a supportive religious group, with a lot of social functions. I've been to LDS socials and Catholic socials, and I can tell you that the Mormons are a great deal more fun to hang out. Maybe the Mormons do a lot more socializing and they are much more socially skilled? I don't know. Why aren't the Catholics a friendlier bunch? I think that some people join the "Church" because they're looking to get ahead financially and Mormons are known for networking. Of course within that religion you've got a lot of poor members doing favors for the wealthy members -- with little or no real reciprocation... And then there are people who look at the Mormons -- and see 'clean cut' married people, with big families, who seem to have good moral principles, are 'friendly', and seem very decent -- and they want that for themselves and their family. I don't think that the religion is the major reason that they join. And I don't think that arguing religious differences with somebody who's LDS is going to achieve much. Believe me they know the goofy parts of their religion much better than you do! If you want to talk to actual Mormons about Mormonism go to the website Exmormon.org and check out their bulletin boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1296101990' post='2204890'] Well at least protestants baptism are valid. [/quote] Assuming they use the proper matter and form prescribed by Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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