Guest Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1296072396' post='2204649'] If I have a friend who isn't christian and isn't ready to accept the fullness of truth can I baptise them ? Or should I send them to a non denominational church that doesn't teach the rapture and have them baptised there ? Is there church doctrine that prohibits me from baptising someone ? Alright Godbless. [/quote] Ok I said this wrong. They are christian in the sence they believe in God and Christ and that He's rissen. They were just baptised mormon. Although they don't identify themselves as mormon anymore. Sorry for the confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1296074605' post='2204671'] Ok I said this wrong. They are christian in the sence they believe in God and Christ and that He's rissen. They were just baptised mormon. Although they don't identify themselves as mormon anymore. Sorry for the confusion. [/quote] Does this person desire to become Christian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1296074545' post='2204670'] I believe you can only do it in emergency situations. Otherwise it will be considered valid, but illicit. Baptism is necessary for salvation. This can be expanded to include baptism by desire and baptism by blood, and baptism by desire can in the opinion of some, be further extended to implicit desire. [/quote] Ok this confuses me ? What is an emergency situation ? I mean life isn't promiced. You could die ten minutes from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1296074705' post='2204673'] Does this person desire to become Christian? [/quote] That's the tough part. They consider themselves christian. They don't consider the mormon baptism unvalid. The mormon church is very deseptive. And the person also doesn't believe in having to go to a church tohave salvation. They were hurt by the mormon church and religion. That's why they are not ready to accept the catholic church and its religion. Edited January 26, 2011 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 i think an emergency would have to include some imminent danger.... just living isn't imminent danger... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1296075011' post='2204681'] i think an emergency would have to include some imminent danger.... just living isn't imminent danger... [/quote] Wow that's sorta messed up. So I should just sorta snub her then ? Like if she isn't ready for the complete truth don't take any truth? Don't get baptised unless you're gonna become catholic and take it all ? I like that attitude actually cause I'm selfish and then I won't have to bother myself with her and go through the trouble. But that seems messed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1296074103' post='2204666'] Extra ecclesiam nulla salus. [/quote] What does this say ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1296075223' post='2204690'] Wow that's sorta messed up. So I should just sorta snub her then ? Like if she isn't ready for the complete truth don't take any truth? Don't get baptised unless you're gonna become catholic and take it all ? I like that attitude actually cause I'm selfish and then I won't have to bother myself with her and go through the trouble. But that seems messed up. [/quote] LOL i ain't sayin that, bro. i think you might be hearing what you wanna hear... respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1296076699' post='2204709'] LOL i ain't sayin that, bro. i think you might be hearing what you wanna hear... respect. [/quote] Respect to you too dude. You're the best. I think I'll just send her to one of those churches in a old grocery store. As long as they don't teach the rapture and hate catholics. But they can baptise her. Seems as if I might be asking for trouble if I do it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark of the Cross Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1296074545' post='2204670'] I believe you can only do it in emergency situations. Otherwise it will be considered valid, but illicit. Baptism is necessary for salvation. This can be expanded to include baptism by desire and baptism by blood, and baptism by desire can in the opinion of some, be further extended to implicit desire. [/quote] Thanks Nihil I was hoping someone would bring up Baptism of desire Etc. My understanding is that DB need not be overly concerned about baptising his friend rather concentrate on bringing him to RCIA. and the instruction of truth. If his friend should die and he was destined for baptism then he would be considered to have 'Baptism of desire' or one of those other things you mentioned. If he wasn't then baptism may not help, possibly. My confidence is down at the moment, you can tell can't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1296074748' post='2204675'] Ok this confuses me ? What is an emergency situation ? I mean life isn't promiced. You could die ten minutes from now. [/quote] [quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1296074926' post='2204679'] That's the tough part. They consider themselves christian. They don't consider the mormon baptism unvalid. The mormon church is very deseptive. And the person also doesn't believe in having to go to a church tohave salvation. They were hurt by the mormon church and religion. That's why they are not ready to accept the catholic church and its religion. [/quote] You should explain to them first. He or she does not want to be a part of the Church and does not want to know the Truth right now. You can't force them. They tried it in the past and it doesn't work. Also it's wrong. [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1296075011' post='2204681'] i think an emergency would have to include some imminent danger.... just living isn't imminent danger... [/quote] What he said. [quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1296075984' post='2204697'] What does this say ? [/quote] Outside the Church there is no salvation.[quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1296077415' post='2204714'] Thanks Nihil I was hoping someone would bring up Baptism of desire Etc. My understanding is that DB need not be overly concerned about baptising his friend rather concentrate on bringing him to RCIA. and the instruction of truth. If his friend should die and he was destined for baptism then he would be considered to have 'Baptism of desire' or one of those other things you mentioned. If he wasn't then baptism may not help, possibly. My confidence is down at the moment, you can tell can't you? [/quote] You're a good man, Mark. You always have my respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 So if you die and you were " destined " for baptism you're good ? Ok cool. She's pry good. Its not her fault the mormon church is all messed up. She was told it was christian growing up and she thinks of herself baptised. God should understand. I won't worry myself with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1296076910' post='2204710'] Respect to you too dude. You're the best. I think I'll just send her to one of those churches in a old grocery store. As long as they don't teach the rapture and hate catholics. But they can baptise her. Seems as if I might be asking for trouble if I do it myself. [/quote] maybe invite her to Mass with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1296077415' post='2204714'] Thanks Nihil I was hoping someone would bring up Baptism of desire Etc. My understanding is that DB need not be overly concerned about baptising his friend rather concentrate on bringing him to RCIA. and the instruction of truth. If his friend should die and he was destined for baptism then he would be considered to have 'Baptism of desire' or one of those other things you mentioned. If he wasn't then baptism may not help, possibly. My confidence is down at the moment, you can tell can't you? [/quote] Its a girl bro. A really fine fine fine girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1296077782' post='2204718'] maybe invite her to Mass with you [/quote] Ya that is a divine idea. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now