Jesus_lol Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 we just need a birthcontrol drug that makes sperm stupid. so the just swim in circles, belch loudly, dont maintain general hygeine and scare off the egg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 [quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1296612392' post='2207622'] we just need a birthcontrol drug that makes sperm stupid. so the just swim in circles, belch loudly, dont maintain general hygeine and scare off the egg. [/quote] So, in other words, make sperm more like the man they came from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southern california guy Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 [quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1296612392' post='2207622'] we just need a birthcontrol drug that makes sperm stupid. so the just swim in circles, belch loudly, dont maintain general hygeine and scare off the egg. [/quote] Well as I understand it the male sperm swims faster, but lives a shorter life than the female sperm that swims slower but lives longer. Soooo... the theory goes (I'll probably get into trouble for posting this... ) that if you want to have a boy than you should not have much sex -- so that when you do you will have a higher sperm concentration and the male sperms will have a better chance. But if you have sex a lot than you might have a better chance of ending up with girls. (DISCLAIMER: This is just a theory that I've heard and it may not even be true at all.. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1296599815' post='2207551'] Sperm incapacitation can include removing or destroying sperm. It would be acceptable to do so in case of rape. There are non-chemical and non-hormonal ways to accomplish this. As far as suppressing ovulation, there may be a drug that can suppress ovulation without altering the endometrium. There may not be. But in case of rape, the use of such a drug would be acceptable. ~Sternhauser [/quote] Yeah, this is something we learned in Theology 101. (I will probably muck up the explanation...) since the "sex" is against the woman's will she is allowed to go and have the sperm "flushed" out of her body. This would be more of a spermicide, not an abortifacient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1296599815' post='2207551'] Sperm incapacitation can include removing or destroying sperm. It would be acceptable to do so in case of rape. There are non-chemical and non-hormonal ways to accomplish this. As far as suppressing ovulation, there may be a drug that can suppress ovulation without altering the endometrium. There may not be. But in case of rape, the use of such a drug would be acceptable. ~Sternhauser [/quote] As far as I know, there is no drug that can prevent ovulation that does not also have a secondary effect of thinning the endometrium, thus making implantation less likely. That's not to say there isn't one, but that I've not heard of one. [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' timestamp='1296619852' post='2207663'] Yeah, this is something we learned in Theology 101. (I will probably muck up the explanation...) since the "sex" is against the woman's will she is allowed to go and have the sperm "flushed" out of her body. This would be more of a spermicide, not an abortifacient. [/quote] Unfortunately I think it would be too late by the time the woman got medical care, as some of the sperm would've already travelled to the fallopian tubes, or would be locked away in some of the S-crypts in the cervix. Unless of course she wasn't in her fertile time, in which case the sperm would already be dead anyway. I mean, I understand how that could be seen as a solution, I'm just not sure that physically it would make much of a difference. Of course, the stress of rape also makes it less likely that the woman will conceive, even if she was entering the fertile phase, since stress can cause ovulation to be halted. Obviously this isn't always the case, though. I'm sure I'm coming across as callous, which isn't my intention at all. Any woman who has been raped deserves great compassion, I'm just not convinced there's a moral drug that would be available. Again, though, maybe my sinuses are impeding my ability to think. Edited February 2, 2011 by Archaeology cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark of the Cross Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1296613264' post='2207629'] So, in other words, make sperm more like the man they came from? [/quote] Snookered me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' timestamp='1296619852' post='2207663'] Yeah, this is something we learned in Theology 101. (I will probably muck up the explanation...) since the "sex" is against the woman's will she is allowed to go and have the sperm "flushed" out of her body. This would be more of a spermicide, not an abortifacient. [/quote] We discussed that in Bioethics last semester. You are supposed to give them a pregnancy test first to make sure they aren't previously pregnant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 [quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1296666348' post='2207776'] We discussed that in Bioethics last semester. You are supposed to give them a pregnancy test first to make sure they aren't previously pregnant. [/quote] OK, so question with that, too. What if it's too early in the pregnancy for a pregnancy test? I don't know how soon you can do the blood tests, but a urine test would need to be 8-10 DPO. Even then it might not show a positive until at least 2 weeks past ovulation. Second - I guess what I really don't understand is why do that at all, when it's pretty much too late, as far as I've heard. Even if she got medical care immediately afterwards (not all that likely), then the sperm is either already in the fallopian tubes and/or S-crypts of the cervix (if she's fertile), or has already died (if she's infertile at that time). I'm really not trying to be difficult (any more than normal), just trying to understand this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 [quote name='Archaeology cat' timestamp='1296671300' post='2207805'] OK, so question with that, too. What if it's too early in the pregnancy for a pregnancy test? I don't know how soon you can do the blood tests, but a urine test would need to be 8-10 DPO. Even then it might not show a positive until at least 2 weeks past ovulation. Second - I guess what I really don't understand is why do that at all, when it's pretty much too late, as far as I've heard. Even if she got medical care immediately afterwards (not all that likely), then the sperm is either already in the fallopian tubes and/or S-crypts of the cervix (if she's fertile), or has already died (if she's infertile at that time). I'm really not trying to be difficult (any more than normal), just trying to understand this. [/quote] I've got the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishop's Health Ethics Guide sitting in my lap. In the "Care of those Raped, Violated or Abused" section, it is clear that the protocol can not include abortifacients. If due diligence is taken to assure to the best of our ability that the woman isn't pregnant, then if the care of a raped woman has the unintended consequence of terminating a pregnancy, it is treated like an indirect abortion such as what happens with an ectopic pregnancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosey Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1296613264' post='2207629'] [quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1296612392' post='2207622'] we just need a birthcontrol drug that makes sperm stupid. so the just swim in circles, belch loudly, dont maintain general hygeine and scare off the egg. [/quote] So, in other words, make sperm more like the man they came from? [/quote] I was just about to say that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 [quote name='Moosey' timestamp='1296704134' post='2208055'] I was just about to say that [/quote] I'm relatively sure that's what Nick was going for, so the joke belongs to him. ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosey Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 It would appear that way wouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Moosey' timestamp='1296704134' post='2208055'] I was just about to say that [/quote] [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1296707911' post='2208072'] I'm relatively sure that's what Nick was going for, so the joke belongs to him. ^_^ [/quote] this would do the world a nice service if the sperm and eggs resembled their "makers". jerks, boring people, idiots, people with poor navigational skill(those ones who drift in and out of their lane ), etc would all have a more difficult time conceiving, while charming smart people would have more babies. as opposed to the other way around (how else do you explain all those crazy drivers?) Edited February 3, 2011 by Jesus_lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Archaeology cat Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 [quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1296700978' post='2208048'] I've got the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishop's Health Ethics Guide sitting in my lap. In the "Care of those Raped, Violated or Abused" section, it is clear that the protocol can not include abortifacients. If due diligence is taken to assure to the best of our ability that the woman isn't pregnant, then if the care of a raped woman has the unintended consequence of terminating a pregnancy, it is treated like an indirect abortion such as what happens with an ectopic pregnancy. [/quote] Thank you. That being the case, I don't see how any medical treatment can help, but of course I'm no expert. I've just heard that it's too late to do anything about the sperm after intercourse, even immediately afterwards, and any hormonal treatment would also thin the endometrium. But it's entirely possible that there's a treatment of which I'm not aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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