Guest Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JenDeMaria Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='MithLuin' timestamp='1296403180' post='2206699'] They do. But I'm pretty sure that most of the things being obliquely discussed in this thread are sexual acts, even if they are [i]not[/i] sexual intercourse. Certainly, they are sexual sins. So, the attempts to be pedantic are obfuscating the issue rather than clarifying it. Anyway, back to avoiding a discussion of living out celibacy, albeit temporarily. [/quote] Actually, if I could clarify something that might make the contested point easier to understand -- the word "sex" means "gender". From dictionary.com: " Sex: either [url="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/the"]the[/url] male or [url="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/female"]female[/url] division of a species, esp. as differentiated with reference to the reproductive functions". Which is why, for instance, a vet tech who is "sexing kittens" is checking for evidence of testes not preparing to breed them. Through misuse of the term, "sex" evolved to indicate "coitus" sometime in the 1950s. In the 90s the term was deliberately stretched to include homosexual acts comparable to intercourse specifically to make it possible to compare "gay sex" with "straight sex". This wordplay should concern Catholics simply because it places homosexuality (and, really, any number of sins of the flesh) on a par with normative sexual intercourse. It makes it possible for a person to say "Well, that's the kind of sex you prefer... but not the kind I prefer" etc. In other words, it would be impossible to argue for gay marriage, or any kind of gay rights -- or even, any kind of alternative intercourse for married people of opposing genders-- without our current acceptance of the loose and conciliatory definition of the word "sex". But if the word "sex" means "gender" then "sexual intercourse" defacto includes the interaction of opposing reproductive functions which would eliminate the notion of "gay sex". Admittedly, trying to argue this point in a more than academic fashion, is culturally swimming up-stream. To be more on-topic: Yay for the chaste! I am celibate, also. Go us -- and thank you, Jesus. I personally recommend the brown scapular (Our Lady helps those who wear the scapular to fulfill its requirements -- and one of the requirements is to practice chastity according to one's state in life) and the practice of saying 3 Hail Marys every evening before bed. 1)With the first Hail Mary remember that God promised Adam and Eve after their sin that a virginal foot would crush the head of the serpent -- then ask our Good Mother to destroy every evil tendency in your own heart. 2) With the second Haily Mary rejoice with the archangel Gabriel that the "Fiat" of Mary allowed the light of Christ to enter the world -- then ask Our Lady to help you fully accept and live the pure life Christ wills for you. 3) With the third Hail Mary remember that Our Lady is the Queen of Heaven and our Mother -- pray for her intercession that, by the grace of God, you may choose to press forward to the Kingdom of Heaven, everyday, without fail. And if you want to be really old school you can kiss the floor as an act of humility after each Hail Mary -- but it's not required Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1296400252' post='2206691'][u][b]sexual[/b][/u] assault [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark of the Cross Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1296400252' post='2206691'] [u][b]sexual[/b][/u] assault. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Anarchists get to define words however they please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Lilllabettt' timestamp='1296073664' post='2204659'] What annoys me is when people assume because I'm single and not actively interested in not being single, I must be a lesbian. [/quote] My sister got that a lot. [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1296140256' post='2205032'] It isn't. It's an abuse of the sexual faculty. It is stimulation of the sex organs, but it is not sexual activity. Neither is rape a sexual act. That is why the Church allows nuns to use non-abortifacient (non-hormonal) contraception in places where there is a high likelihood of rape. Sexual acts are unitive and open to procreation. ~Sterhauser [/quote] [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1296400252' post='2206691'] "Compassionate and understanding care should be given to a person who is the victim of sexual assault. Health care providers should cooperate with law enforcement officials and offer the person psychological and spiritual support as well as accurate medical information. A female who has been raped should be able to defend herself against a potential conception from the sexual assault. If, after appropriate testing, there is no evidence that conception has occurred already, she may be treated with medications that would prevent ovulation, sperm capacitation, or fertilization. It is not permissible, however, to initiate or to recommend treatments that have as their purpose or direct effect the removal, destruction, or interference with the implantation of a fertilized ovum.[sup]19"[/sup] http://www.usccb.org/bishops/directives.shtml ~Sternhauser [/quote] I'm confused. AFAIK, anything that would be preventing "ovulation, sperm capacitation or fertilisation" would be a hormonal contraceptive. So how does this fit in with Church teachings? I of course submit to what the Church teaches, I just don't understand this part. Of course, I'm also tired and am illl, so I probably shouldn't be trying to understand these things right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissyP89 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) Guess what? I've never had sex. [i]Ever.[/i] Edited February 1, 2011 by MissyP89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark of the Cross Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Archaeology cat' timestamp='1296590965' post='2207493'] Of course, I'm also tired and am illl, so I probably shouldn't be trying to understand these things right now. [/quote] May the Holy Spirit grant you a speedy return to health and the love and compassion of Jesus always be known to you. Peace be with you! [quote name='MissyP89' timestamp='1296593902' post='2207517'] Guess what? I've never had sex. [i]Ever.[/i] [/quote] In my view as far as sex goes you aren't missing much. On the other hand the result of sex, children is at the other end of the spectrum. They're the greatest gift God could give! Edited February 1, 2011 by Mark of the Cross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosey Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='MissyP89' timestamp='1296593902' post='2207517'] Guess what? I've never had sex. [i]Ever.[/i] [/quote] [img]http://www.chaosmachine.net/images/nowai.jpg[/img] ME....TOO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Moosey' timestamp='1296594915' post='2207526'] [img]http://www.chaosmachine.net/images/nowai.jpg[/img] ME....TOO. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissyP89 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Hahahahaha!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='MissyP89' timestamp='1296593902' post='2207517'] Guess what? I've never had sex. [i]Ever.[/i] [/quote] [quote name='Moosey' timestamp='1296594915' post='2207526'] [img]http://www.chaosmachine.net/images/nowai.jpg[/img] ME....TOO. [/quote] Me...also! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Archaeology cat' timestamp='1296590965' post='2207493'] I'm confused. AFAIK, anything that would be preventing "ovulation, sperm capacitation or fertilisation" would be a hormonal contraceptive. So how does this fit in with Church teachings? I of course submit to what the Church teaches, I just don't understand this part. Of course, I'm also tired and am illl, so I probably shouldn't be trying to understand these things right now. [/quote] Sperm incapacitation can include removing or destroying sperm. It would be acceptable to do so in case of rape. There are non-chemical and non-hormonal ways to accomplish this. As far as suppressing ovulation, there may be a drug that can suppress ovulation without altering the endometrium. There may not be. But in case of rape, the use of such a drug would be acceptable. ~Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytherese Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1296599815' post='2207551'] Sperm incapacitation can include removing or destroying sperm. It would be acceptable to do so in case of rape. There are non-chemical and non-hormonal ways to accomplish this. As far as suppressing ovulation, there may be a drug that can suppress ovulation without altering the endometrium. There may not be. But in case of rape, the use of such a drug would be acceptable. ~Sternhauser [/quote] Wouldn't that make it an abortafacient though? If so, how could that be moral? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='tinytherese' timestamp='1296603492' post='2207567'] Wouldn't that make it an abortafacient though? If so, how could that be moral? [/quote] A drug would only be abortifacient if it destroyed or caused the destruction of a fertilized egg, for instance by making implantation harder or impossible, or destroying sperm before they reach the ovum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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