Sternhauser Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1295922160' post='2204033'] There's a possibility scrupulosity itself is sinful... [/quote] Yeah, the same way "alcoholism" is sinful. Winchester, don't do that to him. ~Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luthien Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 [quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1295835698' post='2203639'] Have you thought about seeing a counselor or discussing this with your physician? There may be something else going on than just a Scrupulous Conscience. People that blurt out obscenities that they don't intend could be suffering from Tourette's Syndrome. Some of your thinking patterns sound like you might be suffering from some Obsessive Compulsive thinking. I'm not a professional, but deal with people every day who have some of the issues you've discussed. It couldn't hurt to have a good check-up. Sometimes major changes in life, like moving, can set things off that we would never expect. [/quote] Very wise. [quote name='JoyfulLife' timestamp='1295905720' post='2203927'] These can be "instrusive thoughts" and could develop into a mental condition, so you might see a psychiatrist or experienced councellor. You may need to be councelled in thinking correctly, as people can fall into wrong, distorted views about everything. I know a great book my councellor lent me, and I could look it up if you want. It helps you examine your thoughts and correct your thinking. I've had some scrupulousity and it's no fun. There was an examine of conscience by the Militia of the Immaculata (can't get my hands on it anymore) and it really helped me through it. It would have you examine the day looking at how God looks at you with love, and you see where you failed to love him, etc. Work on growing in trust and faith. Try to relax and not fall into "holier than Thou" way. Work on falling in love with God; show affection, laughter, smiles to loved ones. Take life lovingly and simply. You'll get through it. It does pass. [/quote] This too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1295922160' post='2204033'] There's a possibility scrupulosity itself is sinful... [/quote] dude...i love you and all....but, shut it. this isn't the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrupulous Posted January 26, 2011 Author Share Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1295847399' post='2203706'] Scrupulous, Slow down, put your trust in Jesus, who loves you and wants you to get to heaven, and who knows you love him, and in these commandments, not yourself. Scrupulosity is spiritual hypochondria. It's a real problem and a difficult problem, but one that you can and will overcome, do you understand? [url="http://mission.liguori.org/newsletters/scrupulosity.htm"]Ten Commandments for the Scrupulous[/url] [url="http://mission.liguori.org/newsletters/scrupanon.htm"]Another resource from the same solid organization.[/url] ~Sternhauser [/quote] Thanks so much!! Im definitly gonna find a good counselor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah147 Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 (edited) Here are some good books: "How To Cure Scruples" by V.M. O'Flaherty "The Feeling Good Handbook" by David D. Burns M.D. ISBN: 9-780452-281325 That second book focuses on Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, which is excellent for OCD, anxiety, etc. You may ask your councellor to try CBT therapy, but because it can ignore the emotional side, have regular talking, too. Spiritual councelling with a Religious is better in your case, I think. Edited January 26, 2011 by JoyfulLife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamomile Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 So I have a question... According to the 10 commandments for the scrupulous [quote] [font="Verdana"][size="2"][b]6. You shall not consider yourself guilty of bad thoughts, desires, or feelings, unless you can honestly swear before the all-truthful God that you remember clearly and certainly consenting to them.[/b][/size][/font] [/quote] I struggle with what consent is, what it actually means. Seriously. So would this commandment then come into play? [quote] [font="Verdana"][size="2"][b][font="Verdana"][size="2"]2. You shall not confess doubtful sins in confession, but only sins that are clear and certain.[/size][/font][/b][/size][/font] [font="Verdana"][size="2"][font="Verdana"][size="2"]Of all of the correspondence that I receive, I would say that this issue is the one that occurs most often. "What does a person do if they are not sure that they committed a sin?" For this reason, this is a very important commandment to remember because it clearly states the truth: Doubtful sins don't count! There is no need to confess something that does not clearly and certainly exist. In fact, it is harmful to one's self to confess that which is doubtful. Again, such a practice is not at all helpful and must be resisted.[/size][/font] [font="Verdana"][size="2"]Now I can almost hear some of you saying, "I am not sure if I doubt that I sinned or if I am just trying to fool myself to believe that I am doubting that I sinned." This thought in itself demonstrates that you are in fact doubting and so, therefore, the commandment comes into play: You shall not confess doubtful sins.[/size][/font][font="arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif"][size="3"][/quote][/size][/font] [font="arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif"][size="3"] [/size][/font][size=2] [/size][font="Arial"][size=2] [/size][/font][font="Arial"][size=2]I think too much sometimes. [/size][/font][font="Arial"][size=2][img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/brickwall.gif[/img][/size] [/font][size="3"][font="Arial"] [/font][/size][font="Arial"] [/font] [/size][/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah147 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 [quote] A scrupulous person can be helped in rejecting a scruple by a vivid realization that [b][i]he is abnormally intolerant of the state of doubt[/i].[/b]... Anyone who wishes to be cured of scruples must be resigned to bear his share of the doubts and fears present by the will of God in the trials of his life.... Freedom from scrupulosity demands a reasonable tolerance of doubt, fear, and anxiety. "How To Cure Scruples" by V.M. O'Flaherty [url="http://ocdhistory.net/20thcentury/oflaherty.html"]http://ocdhistory.net/20thcentury/oflaherty.html[/url] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrupulous Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 Yeah...I mean im kinda confused on that too.... I think by consent they mean that you wanted to say it with all your heart....which then makes it a sin?? But when your scrupulous it pops up...so its not a sin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah147 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 To get out of it, I had to totally change from overfocus on sin, and turn to focus on loving Jesus and His love for me. Tell Him you love Him frequently, and spend time in silent Adoration with Him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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