Traditionalism, The Curse Of The Modern World, The Embarassment Of Mod

[Tridenteen]

JMJ
Enjoy--
From Tobyana Myczhikyi

Traditionalism, the curse of the modern world, the embarassment of modern Catholics. So often is the word "traditional" spat out with distaste, like wine which has turned. Why is it that when a person identifies themselves as a "traditionalist", people automatically add schismatic, heretic, throw back, antiquated, outdated, pre-conciliar to it. They writhe in distaste at the sight of a chapel veil, obviously ignorant of the sacredness it symbolizes, the mystery of femininity, the veiling of that which is pure and holy. When the so called "dead language" of Latin is quoted from, or prayers of old are recited in it, a translation is screamed for, and an inclusive one at that, lest some one be offended. Gone are the days of a Sacred language, which people often associate with Catholics, oh, pardon, traditionalists. Beautiful customs and rubrics of the extraordinary form of the Mass are ridiculed, and the Most Sacred of Presences is profaned, because after all, Jesus is our buddy, and it's unsanitary to have a priest who's hands have been consecrated by the Shepherd of the Church place the Body of Jesus Christ, Son of God into one's mouth. It's considered uninclusive to have the priest face the same direction as the faithful, rather than fac the people. And because Rossini, Bach, Kodaly, and so many others are old, we need to borrow music from Baptists, Protestants, in general, anyone who is not traditional. And when a person whishes with all their hearts for some of the beauty of old, the incense, the vestments, the reverance, the music...they are belittled, they are titled prideful, pharisee, TRADITIONALIST.
Why? Because, they are of course inferior to those who desire are trapped in the heresy of Modernism, something that takes little effort to understand. Modernism, which is completley devoid of all mystery, all beauty and indeed it is a heresy condemned in the 20th century. It is a sanitary imitation of something Divine. Modernists don't want to think of God as just their friend, as well as their Saviour, their King, their Beloved, their Master, their ALL. They want to take away the Divine pedestal, and make him their buddy.
Is it perhaps considered unfaithful to the Pope to be traditional? That would be airing on the side of just plain bizarre. After all, our beloved Pope Benedikt is encouraging latin in the Mass, cassocks and cottas, and a tip of the birettas. So perhaps the Modernists have it all backwards, perhaps they are confused, perhaps they are backwards. Because,you see, the truth is that Latin is the new modern. Traditionalism is the new radical. Hymns from such musical geniuses like Palestrina and Mozart are the new cutting edge. Whether or not all the backward people who admire Marty Haugen and adore little girls in surplices like it or not, there's a new wind blowing.
And this wind which is blowing with the force of the Holy Ghost is giving us handsome young men in cassocks with collars giving it all to Christ, beautiful women in habits, calling Christ "beloved" and eagerly giving everything up for He Who Is,and bringing by the truckful fallen away Catholics. These young people want to go the whole league for Christ, no more half stepping modernistic things for them. The Summorum Pontificum has been written, the Traditional Latin Mass has been emanicipated. Wake up and smell the incense, whether you go to the Traditional Latin Mass or the New Ordinary Mass, you will have smells, bells, and tradition. We are traditionalists, and we are the New Radical.

Edited January 22, 2011 by Tridenteen

[dUSt]

I agree! Let's put an end to modernist abuses!

I've been so encouraged lately at some of the changes in my diocese. I'm lucky to have Bishop Vann (the first bishop appointed by B16) as my bishop. Since he's been bishop, all the parishes around me are using bells again. We now distinguish between girl altar servers and boy acolytes. The boys have the full cassocks and the girls still were the old "altar server" getup. I know it's not perfect, but at least it's a start! I've been to a few parishes that have recently moved the tabernacle back to the center of the altar. Changes are coming, slowly but surely!

[quote name='Tridenteen' timestamp='1295658407' post='2202799']
Wake up and smell the incense, whether you go to the Traditional Latin Mass or the New Ordinary Mass, you will have smells, bells, and tradition. We are traditionalists, and we are the New Radical.
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AMEN SISTER!!! I'm all pumped up now!

[IcePrincessKRS]

You're right, the Extraordinary form of the Mass should be widespread and accessible to all who wish to attend that Sacred Liturgy.

Proper reverence for Our Lord should be shown no matter which form you attend. Sometimes it's not even the fault of poorly catechized lay people, sometimes it's the fault of poorly catechized priests (my old pastor told us he didn't like placing the Eucharist in people's mouths "because it's icky"). We all should be striving to rid our parishes of abuse. When we see it bring it to our pastors attention! It is good to see youth dedicated and vibrantly faithful to the Church. I pray that I am able to properly instill this in my children, because I know that this is my duty and they are a piece of the future of our Church. Among all the little girls and boys receiving Our Lord in Holy Communion this May, at my parish I know that my little girl will be one of the few, if not the ONLY receiving on her tongue.

Haugen music makes me want to bang my head against the pew.

[Tridenteen]

JMJ
Sadly, it will be quite some time till raditionalism is embraced. So many people are stuck in their little rut. Which of course makes me sad. And as we can see here, sarcasm isn't becoming in a person, nor is changing a person's title, or mocking them because of their traditional beliefs.

Edited January 22, 2011 by Tridenteen

[dUSt]

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Sadly, it will be quite some time till raditionalism is embraced. So many people are stuck in their little rut. Which of course makes me sad.[/quote]
Me too. My grandmother's parish lost a lot of members when some of the changes were made to end abuses... But now, a couple years later, the membership is back to where it was and still growing, stronger than ever it seems.

[quote]And as we can see here, sarcasm isn't becoming in a person, nor is changing a person's title, or mocking them because of their traditional beliefs.
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C'mon now. Be nice. Nobody is being sarcastic. Let's keep it civil, and let's appreciate your original post for all the truths contained in it. I'm being sincere when I'm telling you good job. Don't detract from the topic with unrelated things.

[Lilllabettt]

[quote name='Tridenteen' timestamp='1295659303' post='2202816']
JMJ
Sadly, it will be quite some time till raditionalism is embraced. So many people are stuck in their little rut. Which of course makes me sad. And as we can see here, sarcasm isn't becoming in a person, nor is changing a person's title, or mocking them because of their traditional beliefs.
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Who is being sarcastic ? Did I miss something?

Anyway ... in response to your post, I think priority #1 should be to get rid of labels. Catholic is universal, it doesn't need an adjective (tradionalist, neo-Cath, liberal etc.) We should work for the day when saying "I'm Catholic" says to all people all that needs be said.

[Laudate_Dominum]

i hurd that sarcasm is as sarcasm does. I liked dusts post!! meesa not thinkin it sarcasm.

[MIKolbe]

[quote name='Tridenteen' timestamp='1295658407' post='2202799']
Modernists don't want to think of God as just their friend, as well as their Saviour, their King, their Beloved, their Master, their ALL. They want to take away the Divine pedestal, and make him their buddy.
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Though I found the whole post quite edifying, I particularly identified with, and thoroughly agreed with the above statement. If there is one thing I have always admired from all traditionalists, it is that God is not their 'buddy'. He is their ALL...(as Tridenteen has stated) It is this flame that I feel the traditional movement, in particular, can (and has when actually given the opportunity) bring to the forefront. I often hear "Jesus is my co-pilot' in non-denom and even in more liberal circles of the Church. Here is where those of the traditional persuasion gets it on point: 'If God isn't in the pilot seat, then change seats.' (i actually saw that on a more traditionalist catholic board, which is why this post, and that line speaks to me the way it does)

Good on you...thank you for that post.

- MIKolbe

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1295660069' post='2202834']
Though I found the whole post quite edifying, I particularly identified with, and thoroughly agreed with the above statement. If there is one thing I have always admired from all traditionalists, it is that God is not their 'buddy'. He is their ALL...(as Tridenteen has stated) It is this flame that I feel the traditional movement, in particular, can (and has when actually given the opportunity) bring to the forefront. I often hear "Jesus is my co-pilot' in non-denom and even in more liberal circles of the Church. Here is where those of the traditional persuasion gets it on point: 'If God isn't in the pilot seat, then change seats.' (i actually saw that on a more traditionalist catholic board, which is why this post, and that line speaks to me the way it does)

Good on you...thank you for that post.

- MIKolbe
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u never cease to endear yourself to me...

[dUSt]

[quote name='Lilllabettt' timestamp='1295659921' post='2202832']
Who is being sarcastic ? Did I miss something?

Anyway ... in response to your post, I think priority #1 should be to get rid of labels. Catholic is universal, it doesn't need an adjective (tradionalist, neo-Cath, liberal etc.) We should work for the day when saying "I'm Catholic" says to all people all that needs be said.
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True. I pray that someday we will all just be able to say, "I'm a CATHOLIC Catholic." Oh, and I hope when we say that we're all attending reverent masses with bells, incense and a good dose of Latin.

[dominicansoul]

Triddy,

I'm going to be with my DSSME Sisters tomorrow...

I've been speaking to them about phatmass, and I think I'm going to share this post with them. They are working hard at building the Catholic Culture we have lost, and to bring back the beauty, splendor and awesomeness of the traditions that have seemingly been thrown to the side...

We must suffer, surely, and God in His Goodness is allowing us to be cleansed, purified and made into the gold. It is the Springtime of the Church, and it's an exciting time to be a Catholic in our world today! God is begging for saints to come forth and stand up for Him! Why do we wait for someone else to do it...we must do our part to end the abuses, and replace them with Truth...

thanx for your inspirational post! There is hope, and that hope is in the newer generations of Catholics...

Let us pray especially for the Unborn tomorrow. Lots of Marches for Life going on...so much suffering within and without the Body of Christ on earth...

God bless!

ps..I'm hoping some of the DSMME will join phatmass! That would be uber coolness! :D

[Papist]

Let's put an end to all abuses.

[Tridenteen]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1295660128' post='2202835']
u never cease to endear yourself to me...
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JMJ
I know right? like a chameleon changing colors

[dUSt]

I have to find the video of the mass we had at our phatmass live event a few years back. It was awesome. I'll post it.

[Tridenteen]

JMJ
Thus we should pray for the Holy Society of Saint Pius the Tenth. They are persecuted terribly for preserving tradition. Hopefully they will come back into the fold.