Ouija

[Chiquitunga]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1295641174' post='2202611']
Exactly! Dwelling on the occult too much and taking it too seriously can be just as dangerous as delving into it. I'm pretty sure there is a lot of evil committed in the act of opposing evil. Better just to make fun of it or better still don't give it any space/time at all.[/quote]

Huh?? I'm sorry but your reasoning is off here. Yes, it's important not to dwell on this stuff and read into it so much out of curiosity/fascination, etc. but it[i] is [/i]important to take it seriously.

[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1295641271' post='2202612']
Nihil's pretty much been on point this entire thread...no offense...
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Yes, his posts have been all spot on here. Thanks for taking the time, Nihil, to defend the truth so well in this thread. I've been witness to an exorcism of a friend who had friends involved in the occult .. and it was not pleasant, to say the least. And yes, this friend had to get rid of [i]everything[/i] he ever owned connected with these people, which he burnt. And yes, objects can be cursed. And innocent people can have curses put on them. I know of one young woman (not me, btw) who had to go through an exorcism because of this. And she threw up a tomato with spiders in it at the end .. her food had been cursed by a co-worker of hers who was Wiccan .. no joke, whether you believe it or not.

Edited January 22, 2011 by Chiquitunga

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Chiquitunga' timestamp='1295680564' post='2202989']
Yes, his posts have been all spot on here. Thanks for taking the time, Nihil, to defend the truth so well in this thread. I've been witness to an exorcism of a friend who had friends involved in the occult .. and it was not pleasant, to say the least. And yes, this friend had to get rid of [i]everything[/i] he ever owned connected with these people, which he burnt. And yes, objects can be cursed. And innocent people can have curses put on them. I know of one young woman (not me, btw) who had to go through an exorcism because of this. And she threw up a tomato with spiders in it at the end .. her food had been cursed by a co-worker of hers who was Wiccan .. no joke, whether you believe it or not.
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Disturbing, but not surprising in the least. Thanks for sharing that. It's precisely what I'm referring to.

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1295666767' post='2202917']
a guy i knew in highschool was panicking one day, even crying in class, cos he kept throwing his board out, and it kept showing up in his room the next day!
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that sounds less diabolical, and more like he had an evil younger brother.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Chamomile' timestamp='1295658682' post='2202807']
Oh yeah...

Satan loves to be pretend to be an angel of light - or non-existent - because he can seduce more followers that way.

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Just to get this back on track, I wasn't promoting or defending any of that stuff. The discussion was that I didn't see harm in making fun of it.

And in case people didn't notice I
[quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1295641642' post='2202617']

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I was kinda hoping to be let out of this thread with only a blood nose.


[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1295658184' post='2202793']
I believe the Vatican spoke out against 'Harry Potter'.
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They found it boring and unimaginative too???And a rip off of old movies??

Edited January 22, 2011 by Mark of the Cross

[Guest]

Had one experience as a kid around 16 or 17. It was my bestfriend, his older sister, her friend and myself. I had in my mind before we even started it was b.s and I wanted it not to work so I could proove my self right. My bestfriend didn't believe in it either although his sister and friend did and they are the ones that talked us into participating. Well by the end of it this board spelled out my stepfathers last name and gave multiple birthdays and other stuff I don't remember that no one had the answers to except me. I barely had my hand on the thing so it wasn't me pushing it to the numbers and letters. I was frfeaked out and never used it again. I think in order for it to work and for spirits to be brought in you have to have people who believe in it participating. I may be wrong here but I think if it would have just been me and my buddy drunk and messing around it wouldn't have worked. We would of gave it no power or seriousness in our minds. Although since his sister and friend were serious about it I think that helped let "the devil in " if you will. I don't know. I believe in satan and the demonic though. And if you are serious about letting them in your life they will come in. Wether its a ouja board or whatever. Stay away. Its all real. The good thing we don't have to fear satan cause were friends with Christ. As akalyte says in one of his songs " I laugh in the face of satan cause he will never prevail. "

[Sternhauser]

MIkolbe, on 21 January 2011 - 08:03 PM, said:
[quote] I believe the Vatican spoke out against 'Harry Potter'.[/quote]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1295693879' post='2203013']
They found it boring and unimaginative too???And a rip off of old movies??
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No, it was not an infallible statement.

~Sternhauser

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1295701923' post='2203022']
Had one experience as a kid around 16 or 17. It was my bestfriend, his older sister, her friend and myself. I had in my mind before we even started it was b.s and I wanted it not to work so I could proove my self right. My bestfriend didn't believe in it either although his sister and friend did and they are the ones that talked us into participating. Well by the end of it this board spelled out my stepfathers last name and gave multiple birthdays and other stuff I don't remember that no one had the answers to except me. I barely had my hand on the thing so it wasn't me pushing it to the numbers and letters. I was frfeaked out and never used it again. I think in order for it to work and for spirits to be brought in you have to have people who believe in it participating. I may be wrong here but I think if it would have just been me and my buddy drunk and messing around it wouldn't have worked. We would of gave it no power or seriousness in our minds. Although since his sister and friend were serious about it I think that helped let "the devil in " if you will. I don't know. I believe in satan and the demonic though. And if you are serious about letting them in your life they will come in. Wether its a ouja board or whatever. Stay away. Its all real. The good thing we don't have to fear satan cause were friends with Christ. As akalyte says in one of his songs " I laugh in the face of satan cause he will never prevail. "
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It's stuff like this that helps me believe that Jesus's words "Whenever two or more are gathered in my name, there I am also among them," also applies to Satan and his fellow flying monkeys.

~Sternhauser

Edited January 22, 2011 by Sternhauser

[Chamomile]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1295664977' post='2202898']
I don't know. St. Augustine didn't think his saying was bad, as he's the one who wrote "Love, and do what you will." Obviously, it was intended for Catholic audiences with a proper understanding.

~Sternhauser
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Yes, proper understanding is definitely the key. Love, too! Once your will is united to God's through love, you can follow St. Augustine's advice... although we will most likely all fail to love and to do what is God's will at some point.

But the [i]intent[/i] is to be united to God through love. Wicca, which is just a new-age witchcraft, has no desire of submitting to God and loving Him and knowing how to walk in His Truth, so their motto is just sort of like saying, "whatever."

[Chamomile]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1295693879' post='2203013']
Just to get this back on track, I wasn't promoting or defending any of that stuff. The discussion was that I didn't see harm in making fun of it.

And in case people didn't notice...

I was kinda hoping to be let out of this thread with only a blood nose.

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I guess I misunderstood, but whenever I see someone not taking the threat of evil seriously, I do feel the need to speak out, as I've had bad experiences in my life due to that. And it can truly separate souls from God forever...

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Chamomile' timestamp='1295713260' post='2203041']
Yes, proper understanding is definitely the key. Love, too! Once your will is united to God's through love, you can follow St. Augustine's advice... although we will most likely all fail to love and to do what is God's will at some point.

But the [i]intent[/i] is to be united to God through love. Wicca, which is just a new-age witchcraft, has no desire of submitting to God and loving Him and knowing how to walk in His Truth, so their motto is just sort of like saying, "whatever."
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Could not St. Augustine's teaching be treated just as dangerously? Particularly by people who "love each other," then "will" to shack up?

~Sternhauser

[Chamomile]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1295713937' post='2203047']
Could not St. Augustine's teaching be treated just as dangerously? Particularly by people who "love each other," then "will" to shack up?

~Sternhauser
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Yes, it could definitely be dangerous if taken out of context. I think that would sort of be like using "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" to inflict your own vengeance in the exact measure a wrong was done to you. If we have an unformed conscious and don't desire to follow the Truth, we can manipulate anything to serve our selfish purposes. Even the words of Jesus Himself.

I would hope someone wouldn't base a decision on a short quote from a Saint whose writings they haven't read and whose Church they don't agree with. But I could definitely see someone trying to use St. Augustine in this way to moralize immorality.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Chamomile' timestamp='1295715407' post='2203051']
Yes, it could definitely be dangerous if taken out of context. I think that would sort of be like using "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" to inflict your own vengeance in the exact measure a wrong was done to you. If we have an unformed conscious and don't desire to follow the Truth, we can manipulate anything to serve our selfish purposes. Even the words of Jesus Himself.

I would hope someone wouldn't base a decision on a short quote from a Saint whose writings they haven't read and whose Church they don't agree with. But I could definitely see someone trying to use St. Augustine in this way to moralize immorality.
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I would hope someone wouldn't base a decision to become a Wiccan on a short bastardized quote from St. Augustine. It's far more likely that they wanted to "cast spells and stuff," and had already made whatever dangerous decision they wanted to, without reference to any such quote.

~Sternhauser

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Chamomile' timestamp='1295713471' post='2203042']
I guess I misunderstood, but whenever I see someone not taking the threat of evil seriously, I do feel the need to speak out, as I've had bad experiences in my life due to that. And it can truly separate souls from God forever...
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Your concern is appreciated! I do take it very seriously, as a teenager there was an occasion where a friend and I experimented with telepathy. I had the most powerful feeling of evil forces being stirred up, so strong was this feeling that I never tried that again. On another occasion some friends and I tried an Ooy bored. It didn't move until I made it move which made my friends mad when I told them. I guess I was too sceptical, but once again it didn't feel right. As a person with some mental issues I find such things as the occult dangerously destabilising and I would never take it seriously or be involved in any way. In this thread I made some jokes and obviously there are people who think that that is not good. I would say that one thing I find disgusting in the occult is phoney faith healers who prey on the desperately ill.


These days whenever an issue arises, I like to see what the Church has to say on the subject.[quote][url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03449a.htm"]Catholic[/url] [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14580a.htm"]theology[/url] defines magic as [i]the art of performing actions beyond the power of man with the aid of powers other than the Divine[/i], and condemns it and any attempt at it as a grievous [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14004b.htm"]sin[/url] against the virtue of religion, because all magical performances, if undertaken seriously, are based on the expectation of interference by demons or lost [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14153a.htm"]souls[/url]. Even if undertaken out of curiosity the performance of a magical [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03538b.htm"]ceremony[/url] is [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14004b.htm"]sinful[/url] as it either proves a lack of [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05752c.htm"]faith[/url] or is a vain [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14339a.htm"]superstition[/url]. The [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03449a.htm"]Catholic[/url] [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03744a.htm"]Church[/url] admits in principle the possibility of interference in the course of nature by spirits other than [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06608a.htm"]God[/url], whether [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06636b.htm"]good[/url] or [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05649a.htm"]evil[/url], but never without [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06608a.htm"]God'[/url] permission. As to the frequency of such interference especially by malignant agencies at the request of man, she observes the utmost reserve. [/quote]

source- Catholic encyclopaedia.

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