fides' Jack Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1295472145' post='2201900'] Any bishop worth his mitre will order extensive psychological testing before giving permission for an exorcism to be performed. (Curses are nothing to joke about.) [/quote] Yes, but on the other hand, getting an unnecessary exorcism isn't a bad thing. Edited January 21, 2011 by fides' Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 [quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1295637910' post='2202588'] Yes, but on the other hand, get an unnecessary exorcism isn't a bad thing. [/quote] In a certain sense it's not, but if you introduce to a mentally ill person that they might be possessed, you're setting them up for even bigger troubles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 [quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1295637910' post='2202588'] Yes, but on the other hand, getting an unnecessary exorcism isn't a bad thing. [/quote] Did you hear about the girl that was killed during an unnecessary exorcism recently? in russia i believe. neglect and torture, is basically what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark of the Cross Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 [quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1295638442' post='2202592'] Did you hear about the girl that was killed during an unnecessary exorcism recently? in russia i believe. neglect and torture, is basically what happened. [/quote] Exactly! Dwelling on the occult too much and taking it too seriously can be just as dangerous as delving into it. I'm pretty sure there is a lot of evil committed in the act of opposing evil. Better just to make fun of it or better still don't give it any space/time at all. [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1295607949' post='2202491'] satan hiding in the light.... that's all that is. don't make excuses for the occult. [/quote] I wasn't, I was poking fun at it and Nihil thinks that that is distasteful. Maybe he's right, maybe he's not. Some people believe in the power of crystals. I don't see that as a reason to dispose of my collection, which I keep for there natural beauty as creations of God. If someone suggested that they had some kind of power, I would most likely make light of it. (pun intended) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Nihil's pretty much been on point this entire thread...no offense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark of the Cross Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1295641271' post='2202612'] Nihil's pretty much been on point this entire thread...no offense... [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Normile Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1295399354' post='2201607'] Can you believe that doing that is illegal in Canada?? [/quote] What an oppresive culture! ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1295632222' post='2202539'] All that is novel in the occult is evil. [/quote] Ah, but all that is occult in the novel is Harry Potter. ~Sternhauser Edited January 22, 2011 by Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 I believe the Vatican spoke out against 'Harry Potter'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamomile Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1295594017' post='2202482'] I may be out of my depth, but are there not religions such as Wiccan which have a philosophy of not doing harm. This means that their objective is good, but because it is dangerous is as you say still bad. However I would still not consider the practice or it's adherents disgusting. [/quote] Oh yeah... the rule is "and it harm none, do what you will." I know from experience that this is a worthless and very harmful way of living since it's based on nothing but your own (usually proud) desires and ideas of what is "good" and what doesn't harm someone else. Very subjective and relative, which is dangerous in itself, but then mix evil spirits in that and you're setting yourself in complete opposition to God. How can you think that is not bad? E.g. - Hmmm... so I'll just talk to this spirit I think is good (but isn't because angels aren't going to respond to Wiccan rituals) to do something that I think is a good thing which probably is actually just selfish. Humility is not something encouraged by Wicca. And sometimes demons give people powers (or the illusion of that, which is very convincing to us since we're only human and quite stupid when it comes to spiritual things), which further inflates that person's ego and increases his or her enslavement to the occult. I'm pretty concerned that you're taking this so lightly, Mark. I would recommend you read the book I mentioned earlier, [url="http://www.amazon.com/Ransomed-Darkness-Christian-Faith-Battle/dp/0972520074"]Ransomed from Darkness[/url], so that you'll have an understanding of the danger of the occult from within, especially when compared to the light of God. It's really not something to joke about. Once again, I say this from experience. Satan loves to be pretend to be an angel of light - or non-existent - because he can seduce more followers that way. Edited to address your last comment about the practice and adherents being disgusting. The latter, no, as long as they are alive and there is hope for repenting; the former is disgusting to God if done in full knowledge as it breaks the first and greatest commandment. Edited January 22, 2011 by Chamomile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tridenteen Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 JMJ Holy Water, blessed salt, the Roman Rite of Exorcism....now we are covered! and throw the blasted thing out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='Chamomile' timestamp='1295658682' post='2202807'] Oh yeah... the rule is "and it harm none, do what you will." I know from experience that this is a worthless and very harmful way of living since it's based on nothing but your own (usually proud) desires and ideas of what is "good" and what doesn't harm someone else. Very subjective and relative, which is dangerous in itself, but then mix evil spirits in that and you're setting yourself in complete opposition to God. How can you think that is not bad?[/quote] I don't know. St. Augustine didn't think his saying was bad, as he's the one who wrote "Love, and do what you will." Obviously, it was intended for Catholic audiences with a proper understanding. ~Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Tridenteen' timestamp='1295658811' post='2202811'] JMJ Holy Water, blessed salt, the Roman Rite of Exorcism....now we are covered! and throw the blasted thing out [/quote] a guy i knew in highschool was panicking one day, even crying in class, cos he kept throwing his board out, and it kept showing up in his room the next day! Edited January 22, 2011 by dominicansoul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jegudiel Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Moira Noonan's book is excellent. I think Sharon Lee Giganti is also coming out with a book soon. She's done an excellent series on Catholic Answers Live, about the dangers of the New Age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1295658020' post='2202789'] Ah, but all that is occult in the novel is Harry Potter. ~Sternhauser [/quote] I LOLd. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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