Nihil Obstat Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='Light and Truth' timestamp='1295327336' post='2201285'] Most Protestant groups should have some belief that the demonic exists. [/quote] Well it depends. American Episcopalians, for example, don't believe much of anything. Case in point is John Shelby Spong, a retired American Episcopalian bishop who happened to also be literally atheist. [quote name='DrewATX' timestamp='1295327362' post='2201287'] they attend church as a family and his parents are extremely grounded people. yes the methodist faith believes in demons and such, but in general i think most would take more of a skeptic approach to the realism of things like this. meaning, he probably doesnt take it serious. my sister thought it was just a "silly toy" and was alarmed when i freaked out and told her it was not silly and it most definitely is not a toy. [/quote] Hm. Well maybe starting with your sister would be a good idea. Emphasize to her the seriousness of the problem. Impress upon her that you're worried about your nephew, not about proving some theological point. If at this point they think you're trying to force Catholicism on them, they probably won't listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Buy him another game, and tell him as an aside that you thought he might like to play something a bit "older" than the Ouija. There's nothing a 17 year old hates worse than to be looked at as a kid. I mean, 8 year olds can play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Show him this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewATX Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 should be easy to avoid the debate, we typically do. she asked me to talk to him so i think just my reaction to it was enough to get her attention to the gravity. good point Cath! ill be sure to throw that zinger in there somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Are you close with him? That'll make things a lot easier. I get the impression that you're fairly close with the family; I hope I'm correct in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudreyGrace Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Also- I have a friend who used to do the Ouija board and it "told" her that she'd meet some guy named Chad or something after he dated her friend Ashley. Never happened lol. P.S. She stopped using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiquitunga Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) [quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1295328007' post='2201300'] Buy him another game, and tell him as an aside that you thought he might like to play something a bit "older" than the Ouija. There's nothing a 17 year old hates worse than to be looked at as a kid. I mean, 8 year olds can play it. [/quote] Great advice .. by the way, I just ran into this .. a Pink Ouija board targeting young girls, [url="http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2010/feb/10020511"]http://www.lifesiten...10/feb/10020511[/url] & http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/02/06/pink-ouija-board-targeting-young-girls-riles-critics/ and [url="http://www.amazon.com/Hasbro-Ouija-Board-Pink/dp/B001HEKJ2M"]amazon has it[/url] [quote]"There's a spiritual reality to it and Hasbro is treating it as if it's just a game," said Stephen Phelan, communications director for Human Life International, which bills itself as the largest international pro-life organization and missionary worldwide. "It's not Monopoly. It really is a dangerous spiritual game and for [Hasbro] to treat it as just another game is quite dishonest." [font="Arial"][size="2"]Phelan, who has never played the game, said the Bible explicitly states "not to mess with spirits" and that using a Ouija board will leave a person's soul vulnerable to attack.[/size][/font] [font="Arial"][size="2"]"All Christians should know, well everyone should, that it's opening up a person to attack, spiritually," he said. "Christians shouldn't use it."[/size][/font][/quote] Edited January 18, 2011 by Chiquitunga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 I mean rationally it seems pretty clear. One should not try to invite unidentified/unidentifiable (even if they say they are something specific) outside spiritual influences into one's life for the very reason that these things influence one's life and one cannot know whether these things mean you good or ill. Even if they help you in the beginning, they could be doing this to gain your trust in order to lead you to somewhere you should not go. I am originally from New Orleans. Though the Catholic influence is very strong there culturally so is voodoo. The reason one does not mess with voodoo is not because it does not work. This is entirely NOT the reason one messes with it and is in fact the opposite reason. One does not dabble with voodoo because sometimes it does work and agents are contacted and act in your life and these agents are expressly NOT GOD. It is just a terrible idea when one thinks about it rationally. The reason one tries to summon/contact/talk to a spirit that is not God is because they either do not think the summoning/whatever they are doing will work or because they actually do want to engage such a spirit. This boy you talked about clearly thinks that he is doing something. Thus he falls into the second category. Just explain to him how stupid of an idea this is rationally. If he does believe he is doing something, if he does believe that something is talking back, even if he finds it fun, it is pretty easy to see how terrible of an idea it is. This is terribly stupid, much like handing someone a shovel who wants to hurt you. Other than the fact that he was invented in 1926 by HP Lovecraft, one does not summon Cthullu Destroyer of Worlds for the very fact that he is not got and he wants to destroy worlds. This does not mean he just wants to destroy the physical world, but wants to destroy your world by destroying you. Catch my drift? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 I give ouija boards about as much respect as palm readings, horoscopes, tea leaf readings, swimming pool readings(billy connolly LOL), aura readings, hot line psychics and Tom cruise. Only the weakminded find any power or truth in something so clearly a sham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Catholic Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 He's 17 and still screwing around with a Ouija board? Time to get some friends kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewATX Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 unfortunately i wont have a chance to see him in person until the weekend. but i do plan on speaking with him one on one about it. lots of all the good points here. If you feel moved to do so, please keep him in your prayers, his name is Tyler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithLuin Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) The 'Captain Howdy' scene is certainly not the freakiest part of the 'Exorcist' movie, but it's worth mentioning that there's a reason a Ouija board turned up in the movie before all the freaky stuff started happening. If you need a Biblical reference, I'd go for the Witch of Endor scene. The point there is that when *you* decide it's okay to call on spirits for guidance, God isn't happy. Edited January 18, 2011 by MithLuin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hinter dem Horizont Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) [font="Arial"][size="3"][color="#333333"]It's all caused by ideomotor effect which is the subconscious mind causing your muscles to move the pointer. If one blindfolds themselves and plays it with someone onlooking to record the answers, it will almost alway be totally unintelligible. [/color][/size][/font] Edited January 18, 2011 by Hinter dem Horizont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewATX Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1295336702' post='2201344'] I give ouija boards about as much respect as palm readings, horoscopes, tea leaf readings, swimming pool readings(billy connolly LOL), aura readings, hot line psychics and Tom cruise. Only the weakminded find any power or truth in something so clearly a sham. [/quote] sham or no sham, its the intent that invites danger. also, i find that neither the origin nor history of the board is important. Satan can turn anything against us. if we believe its nothing to be concerned about, all the more reason it becomes such a weapon for him. better safe than sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithLuin Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) It's the 'almost' that's the problem, [b]Hinter[/b]. Obviously, not everyone who plays with a Ouija board gets caught up with evil spirits. But...it can and does happen, and for that reason, it should be avoided. My mom and her sister would play with one after school fairly regularly, not thinking much of it. And yes, there is the 'you're moving it...no, you are' dynamic there. Still, she asked it one time if a boy liked her, and rather than go to the 'yes' or 'no' area, it quickly spelled out 'maybe'. The reason they stopped playing with it was because one day they asked 'What's your name?' and it responded.... "Let well enough alone." That freaked them both out, and there was no more ouija board. Edited January 18, 2011 by MithLuin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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